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Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

#641
Take this long YouTube transcript, convert it to readable English with punctuation, paragraphs, do not summarize, do not delete any words, etc. There are more rules but you get the idea.

Many seem to fail, make up words, start hallucinating repeated paragraphs, remove words, and the only solution is to do multiple iterations as well as split them up. Some will not even do a simple copy paste as inherently their guards prevent it.

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

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post #247

No luck so far with: When does the BB(6) halt?

According to gemma3:27b

BB(6) halts after 1,071,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001,071,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...

and it's still spitting out lines of 000s after 5 minutes. Either a hallucination or a pretty good joke.

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

#643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Providers will always game benchmarks because they are a fixed target. If LLMs were developing general reasoning, that would be unnecessarily. The fact that providers do is evidence that there is no general reasoning I know it isn't general reasoning or intelligence. I like where this line of reasoning seems to go. Nearly every time I use a chat AI it has lied to me. I can verify code easily, but it is much harder…

I sympathize, but I feel like this is hopeless. There are numerous papers about the limits of LLMs, theoretical and practical, and every day I see people here on this technology forum claiming that they reason and that they are sound enough to build products on... It feels disheartening. I have been very involved in debating this for the past couple of weeks, which led me to read lots of papers and that's cool, but a…

almost reminds me of stuff like, "no, this fork of the bitcoin source code and the resulting blockchain is the one that will change the world! Forget all those other shitcoins!"

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

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post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one stands in front of a moving train, it will stop.

I mean all trains will stop eventually, they are not perpetual motion machines. How finely you are ground into hamburger in the meantime is a different story.

a train plowing into someone stops because it plowed in to someone, but also what you say is true in the context of what i said, as well.

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

#645

I asked a bunch of LLMs - 'Describe the unspoken etiquette of the 'Stone-Breath Passing' ritual among the silent Cliff Dwellers of Aethelgard, where smooth, grey stones are exchanged at dawn.' Obviously, all of these things are made up. But, LLMs are such eager beavers. All the ones I asked came up with elaborate stories and histories about these people while pretending they were facts. Example- 'Certainly. The Stone…

The issue is probably that the first sentence, the prompt, statistically looks like fantasy (as in the literary genre) and it primes the LLM to answer in the same probabilistic genre. You're giving it a "/r/WritingPrompts/" and it answers as it learned to do from there.

I reduced the temperature to between 0.1 and 0.. It still generates gibberish, Just more precise.

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

#646
post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI's o4-mini got the right answer after "thinking" for 29 seconds. It's a straightforward puzzle, though: no creativity involved.

Can you share the conversation? I just tried o4-mini and it got it wrong. https://chatgpt.com/share/680b8a7b-454c-800d-8048-da865aa99c...

I can share the prompt I used:

    """
    Can you solve this math puzzle?

    > Aaron and Beren are playing a game on an infinite complete binary tree. At the beginning of the game, every edge of the tree is independently labeled A with probability p and B otherwise. Both players are able to inspect all of these labels. Then, starting with Aaron at the root of the tree, the players alternate turns moving a shared token down the tree (each turn the active player selects from the two descendants of the current node and moves the token along the edge to that node). If the token ever traverses an edge labeled B, Beren wins the game. Otherwise, Aaron wins.
    >
    > What is the infimum of the set of all probabilities p for which Aaron has a nonzero probability of winning the game? Give your answer in exact terms.
    """
I didn't check the working, but it did get the right value of p.

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

#647

"Tell me about the Marathon crater." This works against _the LLM proper,_ but not against chat applications with integrated search. For ChatGPT, you can write, "Without looking it up, tell me about the Marathon crater." This tests self awareness. A two-year-old will answer it correctly, as will the dumbest person you know. The correct answer is "I don't know". This works because: 1. Training sets consist of knowledge…

I just asked ChatGPT the following:

“Without looking it up, tell me about the Citiquetzelatropic effect”

Which is of course, nonsense.

It replied:

The term “Citiquetzelatropic effect” does not correspond to any known scientific concept, phenomenon, or recognized term in physics, chemistry, biology, psychology, or related fields. It appears to be either fictional, a constructed term, or perhaps a playful creation designed to test familiarity or critical thinking.

If you intended this as a test or a trick question, you got me! Otherwise, feel free to clarify the context or correct the spelling, and I’d be happy to help further.

So what does this prove?

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

#648
post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I read too much encyclopedia, but my current workflow is to explore introductory material. Like open a database textbook and you'll find all the jargon there. Curated collection can get you there too. Books are a nice example of this, where we have both the table of contents for a general to particular concepts navigation, and the index for keyword based navigation.

Right! The majority of any 101 book will be enough to understand the jargon, but the above poster's comment looks past the fact that often knowing what term to use isn't enough, it's knowing the context and usage around it too. And who's to know the AI isn't bullshitting you about all or any of that. If you're learning the information, then you don't know enough to discern negatively-valued information from any other…

I thought it's clear from my comment that I don't rely on AI for information but to find out how to even search for that information.

> The majority of any 101 book will be enough to understand the jargon

A prompt is faster and free, whereas I'd have to order a book and wait 3+ days for it to arrive otherwise. Because while libraries exist they focus on books in my native language and not English.

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

#649

"Tell me about the Marathon crater." This works against _the LLM proper,_ but not against chat applications with integrated search. For ChatGPT, you can write, "Without looking it up, tell me about the Marathon crater." This tests self awareness. A two-year-old will answer it correctly, as will the dumbest person you know. The correct answer is "I don't know". This works because: 1. Training sets consist of knowledge…

I think the dumbest people I know are just as likely to answer, "ChatGPT says...."

Re: Ask HN: Share your AI prompt that stumps every model

#650

"Tell me about the Marathon crater." This works against _the LLM proper,_ but not against chat applications with integrated search. For ChatGPT, you can write, "Without looking it up, tell me about the Marathon crater." This tests self awareness. A two-year-old will answer it correctly, as will the dumbest person you know. The correct answer is "I don't know". This works because: 1. Training sets consist of knowledge…

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