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United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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Re: United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Services like operating the walkway and the tugs that push-back the plane from the gate are often outsourced. Perhaps that's the connection... in most of the cases where the people did a terrible job, it's because the role's been outsourced.

I think the article nails this on the head, management doesn't care about it's employees, and the employees pass this on to the customer. They care so little that they don't even want core pieces of their business done by their own people. It reminds me of a cable co in canada called Rogers, the entire thing is a bunch of outsourced services glued together with a couple sales people.

Ultimately I think it comes down to cost. As airlines predominantly compete on ticket price, they'll do whatever it takes to reduce that (outsource their logistics, operations, flight planning, etc.) Hell, Ryanair in Europe make their pilots pay for their uniform. All about getting the fare as low as possible, consequences be damned.

Re: United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Services like operating the walkway and the tugs that push-back the plane from the gate are often outsourced. Perhaps that's the connection... in most of the cases where the people did a terrible job, it's because the role's been outsourced.

I think the article nails this on the head, management doesn't care about it's employees, and the employees pass this on to the customer. They care so little that they don't even want core pieces of their business done by their own people. It reminds me of a cable co in canada called Rogers, the entire thing is a bunch of outsourced services glued together with a couple sales people.

The push-back and walkway are usually managed by the airport, the airline doesn't really have a choice in this particular case.

Re: United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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Yes, the Management should feel like the scum they are.

So should all the self-serving, money-grubbing, union-busting, career-exporting, not-in-my-backyard scum that have come to infest the U.S.

You want to blame someone? Look in the damned mirror, reader.

Re: United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Services like operating the walkway and the tugs that push-back the plane from the gate are often outsourced. Perhaps that's the connection... in most of the cases where the people did a terrible job, it's because the role's been outsourced.

I think the article nails this on the head, management doesn't care about it's employees, and the employees pass this on to the customer. They care so little that they don't even want core pieces of their business done by their own people. It reminds me of a cable co in canada called Rogers, the entire thing is a bunch of outsourced services glued together with a couple sales people.

It can go further. Caring can be actively dis-incented. If your caring about a problem causes any disruption to your "normal" work, you will be penalized.

That child you rescued and escorted to their destination or a safe location? That's 30 minutes you weren't "doing your job".

And perhaps you're not authorized to escort children. The liability! Sorry, but we are going to have to terminate you.

When it gets to this point of actively "not caring", it's no longer human nature; it is a contrary behavior that has been actively taught and reinforced.

Re: United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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United is clearly very wrong here and treating their customers poorly. But, and I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion, who sends a 10 year old across the country on a plane alone? I wouldn't send a 10 year on a 30min bus ride alone. I understand United offers a service to make this possible but it seems like a ridiculous thing for a parent to take advantage of. Maybe it's a cultural difference and this is…

The author of the blog post seemed to think that United was a terrible airline before this happened. So your point about unaccompanied minors seems even more valid; who would send a child cross country, and who would do so using a crappy airline?

It wasn't the author's kid.

Re: United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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I want to know who the the passengers were sitting next to this child were that didn't help her with her transfer. The lack of human decency is a cultural problem as much as an airline problem. What the fuck is wrong with people that don't talk to a child traveling alone and make sure she makes her connection. I blame humanity as much as the airline.

Well, if you're male, you won't be sitting next to any unaccompanied children, much less helping them: - http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/seat-swap-o... - http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/nurse-humiliat... - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3634055/Com... If that's standard policy in the airline industry, then half of the adult population wouldn't be able to help the poor…

That's... wow. I mean, even overlooking the obvious flaws in this logic, even if it is a paedophile sat next to the kids, what are they going to do in the middle of a flight surrounded by other people?

Re: United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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I want to know who the the passengers were sitting next to this child were that didn't help her with her transfer. The lack of human decency is a cultural problem as much as an airline problem. What the fuck is wrong with people that don't talk to a child traveling alone and make sure she makes her connection. I blame humanity as much as the airline.

It sucks to say this but in the US if you're male, the smart/safe thing to do is not have any contact with an unaccompanied child at all. There is a non-trivial chance that may be misconstrued as something else and you could find yourself in a whole world of trouble. Of course this should not stop someone from bringing a distressed child to the attention of the flight crew and other passengers.

Fuck. That. If you're not willing to take the negligible* risk of the situation being misconstrued to help a lost scared child, you are no better than the United Airlines employees.

* Yes, it is negligible. For every scare story you hear, thousands of people interact with minors with absolutely no issues at all.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sucks to say this but in the US if you're male, the smart/safe thing to do is not have any contact with an unaccompanied child at all. There is a non-trivial chance that may be misconstrued as something else and you could find yourself in a whole world of trouble. Of course this should not stop someone from bringing a distressed child to the attention of the flight crew and other passengers.

This is a very interesting phenomenon. 1) A child approached by an adult man = everyone is alerted. 2) A helpless child that should be helped = nobody cares. It seems that in case 1 it's more about getting the bad guy then to help the child. This is all sorts of crazy if there is any truth to it. I'd love to see a study on this.

> more about getting the bad guy then to help the child.

Another way to look at it is that the worst outcome of one is the child gets lonely and scared for a small period of time, the worst outcome of the other is they get kidnapped and worse.

That said, I'm playing devil's advocate here, not arguing that the above logic should be used by anyone.

Re: United Airlines Lost My Friend's 10 Year Old Daughter And Didn't Care

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This is a problem bigger than United -- which has a lot of problems. This is what you get when you subsidize bad companies that need to fail. United needs to fail so someone better can take over. The moral hazards are ruining the country. I saw it recently with farmers struggling from the drought. Compare this farmer: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7417774n who has acres full of hay that don't do well in the…

I don't think weather forecasting is currently good enough for a farmer to plan which crops to plant based on rainfall predictions.

If every farmer planted a diversity of crops to account for all likely weather scenarios, then the average productivity would drop, as most crops would turn out to be unsuitable for the weather that occurred.

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United are losing it at the moment. I had 2 flights the other week where they couldn't even get someone to move the walkway thingy in line with the plane so we all just stood around waiting after we landed. On one flight the pilot actually phoned because he couldn't get anyone on the radio. They're really hit and miss with the service - it's either great or it's shit. Sometimes I really love them... I've had two flig…

My experience is that it's very simple:

- What was previously Continental, works well.

- What was previously United, doesn't.

I'm sure the Continental parts will converge to mediocrity given enough time - but for now, they're still closer to Continental quality than to old-United quality.

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