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Re: Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. attorney

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Post by moshegramovsky »

hayst4ck wrote: post #84

Reason and truth are the enemy of authoritarian regimes. They want you to believe that truth is subjective. Truth and reason provide alternative legitimacy to authority. If nothing is true, there is no basis on which to judge those in power. There is a long legacy of authoritarian regimes attacking curious places, universities, historians, museums, books or any institution that grounds itself in reality which provide…

> Reason and truth are the enemy of authoritarian regimes. Truth and reason provide alternative legitimacy to authority. If nothing is true, there is no basis on which to judge those in power.

Well said.

Hannah Arendt wrote a great book about this, but it sounds like you might have already read it.

Re: Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. attorney

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Post by moshegramovsky »

outside1234 wrote: post #115

Is this the start of the shakedown by Trump to start allowing misinformation?

I fear the answer is yes. Did you hear about the "gala dinner" for the top 220 holders of his meme coin? I wish I was joking.

Power corrupts...

Re: Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. attorney

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Post by emacsen »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #157
moshegramovsky wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree 100%. It's exhausting fighting against antisemitic bias, and it feels like it's everywhere these days. My problem with Ed Martin is that what he is doing is clearly wrong. Hannah Arendt wrote a book about people like him.

Could one of you point me to antisemitic bias on wikipedia just so I have a concrete example at hand?

Basically, almost any time Zionists are mentioned, they're mentioned in a negative light and with genuine disinformation, such as that Zionism is the belief that Arabs needs to be destroyed. That is like saying the Civil Rights movement in the US was about killing white people.

They also position things in such a way that implies antisemitic things, such as saying that Zionism is only 200 years old, or discussing the Israel wars only or primarily through an Arab lens.

These biases around Jewish topics are small individually but large in aggregate, especially in how they present Jews and Jewish topics.

Multiple Jewish and civil rights organizations have done a more comprehensive job at discussing this, even organizations who don't usually agree on things. While they talk about "anti-Israel bias" Wikipedia articles on or mentioning Zionism (80% of Jews are Zionist) are IMHO just as, if not more damaging, and demonstrate the issue.

Most importantly though, talk to the Jews in your life about this. They will tell you.

https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/wikipedia-entrie...

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-846563

https://cameraoncampus.org/blog/seven-tactics-wikipedia-edit...

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-i...

https://www.standwithus.com/post/it-s-time-to-correct-wikipe...

https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-edit...

Re: Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. attorney

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Post by moshegramovsky »

yesco wrote: post #134
acdha wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re painting with an awfully broad brush, omitting both the magnitude of the difference and far overstating the homogeneity of one of those sides.

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A lot of what you refer to as "pandemic authoritarianism" took place under Trump as well. Vaccine mandates have been part of many jobs for years and years. It's not a Republican or Democrat thing.

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Post by emacsen »

TRiG_Ireland wrote: post #140
emacsen wrote: post #124

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Aren't you making their point though? The ADL and other Jewish organizations have pointed out that aside from articles about Israel that articles about or mention Jewish topics generally have been editing with disinformation or that made Jews out to be the aggressors. I agree with you that in order to believe in the ideals of liberal democracy that we must have a core belief in truth. And it's absolutely true that th…

This is the same ADL that said that Nazi salutes are fine, but that protesting against genocide isn't? Why do we care what the ADL says about anything? They're fascist sympathisers.

Demanding moral perfection from an organization in order to believe that discrimination exists is a standard that I don't believe is fair to any group.

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Post by g-b-r »

yesco wrote: post #134
acdha wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re painting with an awfully broad brush, omitting both the magnitude of the difference and far overstating the homogeneity of one of those sides.

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> Its inevitable we will face yet another worldwide pandemic in the next decade or so

If we do, the absurdities about masks and vaccines that were spread by some will make it last just as long as the covid one

Re: Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. attorney

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Post by giraffe_lady »

emacsen wrote: post #175
giraffe_lady wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could one of you point me to antisemitic bias on wikipedia just so I have a concrete example at hand?

Basically, almost any time Zionists are mentioned, they're mentioned in a negative light and with genuine disinformation, such as that Zionism is the belief that Arabs needs to be destroyed. That is like saying the Civil Rights movement in the US was about killing white people. They also position things in such a way that implies antisemitic things, such as saying that Zionism is only 200 years old, or discussing the…

Most of the jews I know are through anti-genocide activism and they have a different view of this. I wanted to check because it is important to me that I not engage in antisemitism. Thanks for the info.
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