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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by dylan604 »

goatlover wrote: post #582
exe34 wrote: post #497

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you'd be declared an illegal immigrant and removed to hotel salvador pretty quickly at this point. The orangefuhrer has already said he's coming after the "homegrown" next.

At what point will Democratic state governors and legislatures have enough of autocratic takeover? States have their own National Guard.

While I'm not familiar with all 50 governors, I'm wondering if there might not be some Republican governors that think things have gone too far as well. Being a Republican does not mean you are in favor of autocracy. It just looks like that right now because nobody is sticking their necks out, but I'm holding onto hope that if it does get to that point, further resistance might come out.

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Post by slaw »

mmooss wrote: post #580

The issue here is not the facts of this incident. The issue is an attempted expansion of power and reduction in the liberty to dissent. The Trump administration have been talking for weeks, maybe months, of finding ways for US attorneys to prosecute local officials who do not support Trump's immigration policy. Note that they also are threatening punishment through budget and policy. Also, realize that immigration is…

No, the issue is:

"Judge DUGAN escorts Flores-Ruiz through a “jury door” to avoid his arrest."

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11...

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Post by rolph »

Gabriel54 wrote: post #623
rolph wrote: post #559

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the feds also have no right to arbitrarily obstruct court in session, they have to seek administrative recess, they cant just barge in and start belching commands, they dont have that authority.

The agents in this case did no such thing. As far as I am aware this has not happened anywhere.

thats right they did no such thing, presumibly they sought recess from a chief justice, and by the time they came back, the person of concern was gone.

had they realized they were likely to walk into the middle of procedings, the first stop should have been authorization to intercede.

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Post by const_cast »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #616
sanderjd wrote: post #333

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The thesis is that immigrants have no constitutional rights because they aren't citizens, or the stronger form, that they are invaders and thus enemy combatants. The Supreme Court is going to have to clarify the existence or non-existence of constitutional rights for people living here unlawfully. And then the populace is going to have to make sure that the president doesn't conclude that he can ignore that ruling if…

Is that a serious thesis anyone serious is entertaining ? Would that mean that you can defraud or kill a tourist with no consequences?

It's serious in that it's the primary reasoning the Trump administration is using for the lack of due process.

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Post by senderista »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #613
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #214

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Under any occasion, it was inappropriate to arrest a judge like this. We’re honestly at the point where I’d be comfortable with armed militias defending state and local institutions from federal police. If only to force someone to think twice about something like this. (To be clear, I’m not happy we’re here. But we are.)

Yes except that the very same armed types, after years of being derided by Democrat and progressive types as ignorant rednecks, are the least likely (for now at least) to defend a judge being targeted for protecting immigrants by the Trump administration. I know of no armed militia types that are of the opposing political persuasion, being armed is just a bit too kitsch and crude for them it seems. Maybe they reconsi…

I guess you weren't there for the CHOP, where there were masked antifa wandering around with AR-15s and intimidating business owners.

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Post by sarlalian »

noemit wrote: post #553
openasocket wrote: post #524

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There's another argument that you touched on in your last paragraph that I think deserves to be underlined, which is about proper accountability. Imagine an undocumented immigrant who commits a serious crime, like murder. Do you want the local prosecutors to go after them, and send them to jail for a long time? Or do you want ICE to go after them, in which case they ... get deported and wind up living free in another…

Funny enough, CECOT only exists because of this. MS-13 started in the United States, and only spread to El Salvador because of deportations, making El Salvador completely unlivable.

That is a very simple explanation to an obviously more complex issue.

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Post by macinjosh »

kstrauser wrote: post #590
staticman2 wrote: post #277

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Unless I'm missing something you choose from a list of principal business Codes and also provide a description. Unless "drug dealer" is one of those codes it's not an option to select that so that isn't the correct answer for code. The instructions for the codes state, "Note that most codes describe more than one type of activity." If you must provide a description as well you would provide one that describes more th…

Those would probably be one of NAICS code: * Pharmacies and Drug Retailers: 456110 * Drugs and Druggists' Sundries Merchant Wholesalers: 424210

Those are a far cry from street drug dealer, not really incriminating yourself if you do that, you're just lying. They don't have codes for illegal activities

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Post by neilpointer »

xyzzy9563 wrote: post #530
crooked-v wrote: post #319

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I find it extremely doubtful that she told the agents he'd be leaving through a particular door or that she had any legal obligation to make sure the man exited in a particular way.

It's a crime to harbor or aid illegals in evading federal authorities. So this is a legal obligation of every person.

it's also unconstitutional to deny people due process but that's clearly been disregarded by the current administration. Reap what you sow.

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Post by mulmen »

lliamander wrote: post #627
km144 wrote: post #608

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Your point does not engage with the question raised in the comment you're replying to. Would you like to live in a society where criminal justice is secondary to immigration enforcement? One where we deport people with acute conditions without treatment because they are not authorized to live in this country? Dealing with the "root cause" does not require inflicting unnecessary cruelty upon other human beings. > it h…

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This is whataboutism and not only is it not persuasive it’s also off putting.

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Post by thuanao »

kstrauser wrote: post #406

Part of the reason why I support "sanctuary cities" is that it's better for everyone if undocumented immigrants feel safe talking to the police. Imagine someone broke into my car and there was a witness who saw the whole thing. I want them to be OK telling the cops what happened. I want them to be OK reporting crimes in their neighborhood. I want them to be OK testifying about it in court. I want them to be OK callin…

I want "sanctuary cities" because the whole idea of "illegal" people is tyrannical and inhumane.
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