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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by lostmsu »

jmull wrote: post #570
bdelmas wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to be downvoted to oblivion but sanctuary cities for what you are saying is like a monkey patch in code. It "works" for now but it's not a long-term viable solution. A person breaking the law and be fine to be a criminal to be in a country is already the wrong mindset. And these persons are only at step 1 in a life in the US. What happens when life will be tough later are they now magically going to stop a…

An aside: “monkey patch” doesn’t mean what you think it means. More on topic… crimes aren’t all the same, and the willingness of a person to commit one kind of crime doesn’t necessarily mean they are willing to commit another kind of crime. For example, a large proportion of drivers in the US break the law every time they drive, from speeding to rolling stops, etc. By your standard all of these people are criminals w…

Of the options you mentioned the law only prescribes taking away driver licenses AFAIK. And you could, see no problem with that.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by goatlover »

exe34 wrote: post #497
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #292

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> that's just how the militia types tend to lean So far. I don’t think you’d have trouble recruiting an educated, well-regulated militia from folks who believe in the rule of law.

you'd be declared an illegal immigrant and removed to hotel salvador pretty quickly at this point. The orangefuhrer has already said he's coming after the "homegrown" next.

At what point will Democratic state governors and legislatures have enough of autocratic takeover? States have their own National Guard.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by [deleted] »

trelane wrote: post #140
throwaway5752 wrote: post #31

Executive branch arrests of members of judiciary are not to be taken lightly. There are many ways to deal with these situations and this is extraordinarily far from normal. All you can do is diversify your US-based investments and get travel visas while you still can. If you are tempted to downvote, you could make a better point by finding comparable examples under any other modern president.

I used to think that about ex presidents. The times seem to have changed.

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by godelski »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #562
openasocket wrote: post #524

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There's another argument that you touched on in your last paragraph that I think deserves to be underlined, which is about proper accountability. Imagine an undocumented immigrant who commits a serious crime, like murder. Do you want the local prosecutors to go after them, and send them to jail for a long time? Or do you want ICE to go after them, in which case they ... get deported and wind up living free in another…

I mean banishment has worked pretty well for crimes historically. The punishment/rehabilitation spectrum is wrong on both sides IMO. If the threat is gone, from a utility perspective it doesn’t really matter how it happens.

Has it?

  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV_of_England
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
Are you guessing or are you positive?

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by dragonwriter »

mindslight wrote: post #373
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #214

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Under any occasion, it was inappropriate to arrest a judge like this. We’re honestly at the point where I’d be comfortable with armed militias defending state and local institutions from federal police. If only to force someone to think twice about something like this. (To be clear, I’m not happy we’re here. But we are.)

We've got National Guards under the command of state governors for a reason. Just sayin'.

> We've got National Guards under the command of state governors for a reason.

Yes, but that reason is not for rebellion against the federal government, which is why their equipment and training is governed by the federal government and the President can by fiat order them into federal service at which point he is the C-in-C, not the government.

Most states do also have their own non-federal reserve military force in additionto their National Guard, but those tend to be tiny and not organized for independent operations (e.g., the ~900 strength California State [not National] Guard.)

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by bdelmas »

jmull wrote: post #570
bdelmas wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to be downvoted to oblivion but sanctuary cities for what you are saying is like a monkey patch in code. It "works" for now but it's not a long-term viable solution. A person breaking the law and be fine to be a criminal to be in a country is already the wrong mindset. And these persons are only at step 1 in a life in the US. What happens when life will be tough later are they now magically going to stop a…

An aside: “monkey patch” doesn’t mean what you think it means. More on topic… crimes aren’t all the same, and the willingness of a person to commit one kind of crime doesn’t necessarily mean they are willing to commit another kind of crime. For example, a large proportion of drivers in the US break the law every time they drive, from speeding to rolling stops, etc. By your standard all of these people are criminals w…

Oh yes you are right for monkey patch, I don't why it means something else where I am from.

On the topic, sure. But maybe next time you go to another country, try to think how you would stay and break the law. Later, you will need a car, a bank account (by stealing a social security number or other solutions). Like how you are getting yourself ready to live a life of breaking the law just to go by in life. That's a series of life-changing events you have to be ready to go through. And yes you can go to prison because yo go too fast on a highway but to me it's really something else.

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Post by sophacles »

dylan604 wrote: post #518
sophacles wrote: post #493

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What a strange set of ideas presented in such a small sentence fragment. * Very few people demonize gun ownership. They just want some laws preventing criminals from owning guns. * Guns are very easy to obtain, the "arms race" is a trip to the local sporting goods store. Sure, the weapon may not be super tacti-cool with a bunch of skulls and shit, but I'm pretty sure that even without all the virtue signalling decals…

Do you think those that have been opposed to current gun laws would be nearly as proficient at the use of their newly acquired weapon as opposed to those that have been collecting them for years? This just made up militia will be woefully untrained to handle anything. At least those that have their meeting in the woods practice to whatever extent they do, but that would be so much more than this recent trip to the sp…

I've taught people who had never held a gun to shoot. It takes an hour or two to get them to the point where they can get a nice grouping at a reasonable distance.

I haven't owned a gun in 20 years (it's not my style). I go shooting every 3-4 years with some gun nut buddies who have big arsenals and go shooting often. I am a better shot than many of them.

Armies have won wars while being comprised mostly of conscripted people who hadn't held a gun prior to the conflict breaking out.

Point being - effective use of guns does not require deep proficiency nor long term regular training.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

pseudo0 wrote: post #511
kemayo wrote: post #93

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I updated my post with new information from the updated article, and in the context of that I think you're pretty much right. It sounds like the judge basically said "you need permission to arrest someone in the middle of my hearing, go get it" and then didn't change anything about the process of their hearing while that permission was being obtained. This was definitely not them being helpful , but I'm incredibly do…

That is not what is alleged in the complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11... The allegation is that the judge got upset that ICE was waiting outside the courtroom, sent the law enforcement officers to the chief judge's office, and then adjourned the hearing without notifying the prosecutor and snuck the man with a warrant out through a non-public door not normally used by defendants.…

You are basically saying that everybody has to help ICE for free and on occasion do the job of ICE for free. That’s very totalitarian.

At the same time, it is settled law that a police officer cannot be held liable for not protecting citizens or not arresting someone. So you have more obligations than a police officer yet getting none of the pay or legal protections

Imagine you were a private tutor, in a private school on private land. ICE barges into the class trying to arrest one of the kids, but their paperwork is not in order so they promised to come back in 20 minutes

Do you imagine it will be possible to continue with the lesson as normal after such an event?

It is your discretion, when to start or stop a lesson, you work for yourself.

Do you imagine you should be obligated as a teacher to continue the lesson as if nothing has happened?

And if children want to leave to hold them by force?

why is it your problem That ICE isn’t competent and can’t get their shit right the first time?

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Post by dragonwriter »

Gabriel54 wrote: post #557
dragonwriter wrote: post #540

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> Supreme Court precedent is that states cannot be compelled by Congress to enforce Immigration law Not just immigration law but federal law generally. It's funny that this never reached the point of beign a decision rule in a case and thus binding precedent until the 1990s, as you see it in dicta in Supreme Court cases decided on other bases back to shortly before the Civil War (specifically, in cases around the Fug…

Might it be because the federal government simply did not need to exercise much authority over the states? As a non-expert I am curious. I am continually amazed by how much authority is delegated to the states and local jurisdictions in the United States (e.g. matters of marriage, property, voting, etc.). As I understand even citizenship was handled by local courts up until very recently.

> Might it be because the federal government simply did not need to exercise much authority over the states?

Yeah, it is absolutely because the federal government was simply not trying to commandeer state authorities to enforce federal law; the interesting part (to me) is that the courts were anticipating the problem well before it materialized.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by kstrauser »

staticman2 wrote: post #277
zepton wrote: post #207

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Schedule C to Form 1040 (self-employment income) asks for your "Principal business or profession, including product or service". It's pretty clear that the only correct answer for some people would be something like "drug dealer".

Unless I'm missing something you choose from a list of principal business Codes and also provide a description. Unless "drug dealer" is one of those codes it's not an option to select that so that isn't the correct answer for code. The instructions for the codes state, "Note that most codes describe more than one type of activity." If you must provide a description as well you would provide one that describes more th…

Those would probably be one of NAICS code:

* Pharmacies and Drug Retailers: 456110

* Drugs and Druggists' Sundries Merchant Wholesalers: 424210

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