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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by hypeatei » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #513

hypeatei wrote: post #491

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This line of thinking only works if you consider illegal immigrants as people of which a certain side does not and is actively arguing that the bill of rights only applies to citizens. Basically, if you view illegal immigrants as the end of the world, then any deferral of their deportation is equally as bad. There is no room for discussion on this topic, being "illegal" is a cardinal sin and must be punished at all c…

> bill of rights only applies to citizens. I could argue that it’s inhumane, contradicts all the values US claims to stand for, or could be used as a back door to harass citizens. But ultimately fundamental issue is this - if you want to be a seat of global capital and finance, a global reserve currency and the worlds most important stock exchange, that is the price. Transnational corporations, their bosses and emplo…

I think some are missing the sarcasm. I enjoyed your comment at least.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by rchaud » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #180

rchaud wrote: post #128

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I imagine they'll soon be putting a spin on George W Bush-era legal arguments about the applicability of Geneva Conventions on "non-uniformed combatants". In this case, if the ICE agents weren't uniformed at the time of arrest, they can't be considered agents of the federal government, and thus can't be subject to legal redress.

Does that mean they’ll just be trespassers that can be shot if they enter your property unannounced like a gang of hooligans?

It's not a coincidence that they're arresting openly unarmed people like student protesters and now judges.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by thrance » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #411

whoknowsidont wrote: post #12

Democratic states really need to start disallowing federal agents to operate within their borders and band together. Activate their respective national guards and make it happen. Yes, that means defying federal law. Yes that means exactly the consequences you want to draw from those actions. There is no other option at this point. The law is dead in the U.S.

Every public official in every state has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution. Willfully ignoring that oath whenever it suits them is not a faithful commission of their duties. While trampling on civil rights is a problem so is harboring known, convicted felons. If Wisteguens Charles had been deported in 2022, some of his future crimes wouldn't have happened. Instead we have people falling over themselves to have…

The contract has been violated, the federal government is already acting extra-constitutionally.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #518

sophacles wrote: post #493

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What a strange set of ideas presented in such a small sentence fragment. * Very few people demonize gun ownership. They just want some laws preventing criminals from owning guns. * Guns are very easy to obtain, the "arms race" is a trip to the local sporting goods store. Sure, the weapon may not be super tacti-cool with a bunch of skulls and shit, but I'm pretty sure that even without all the virtue signalling decals…

Do you think those that have been opposed to current gun laws would be nearly as proficient at the use of their newly acquired weapon as opposed to those that have been collecting them for years? This just made up militia will be woefully untrained to handle anything. At least those that have their meeting in the woods practice to whatever extent they do, but that would be so much more than this recent trip to the sp…

> Do you think those that have been opposed to current gun laws would be nearly as proficient at the use of their newly acquired weapon

I don’t own a gun and I’m a better shot than half those militia types. The purpose of the guns isn’t to shoot them, it’s to deter. By the time it’s WACO, one side’s marksmanship isn’t really relevant.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by belorn » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

SimbaOnSteroids wrote: post #506

bdelmas wrote: post #484

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I am going to be downvoted to oblivion but sanctuary cities for what you are saying is like a monkey patch in code. It "works" for now but it's not a long-term viable solution. A person breaking the law and be fine to be a criminal to be in a country is already the wrong mindset. And these persons are only at step 1 in a life in the US. What happens when life will be tough later are they now magically going to stop a…

Calling it a crime vastly overstates what the offense is. Entering in the country illegally is a misdemeanor, when you call them criminals you rhetorically frame it as a serious offense like a felony. Its disingenuous.

That is technical correct use of the legal term. A crime is an illegal act for which the punishment include prison. A person who lack permission to stay in a country faces deportation and ban/restriction on future visa applications, but not prison. Thus it is not a crime.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by nemomarx » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

Gabriel54 wrote: post #523

mmanfrin wrote: post #494

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> What is the purpose of laws if they are willfully ignored? Nearly every liberty we take for granted was at one point against the law or gained through willful lawbreaking. A healthy society should be tolerant of some bending of the rules.

I agree with you. A quick search suggests that there are 11 million undocumented people in the United States, or about 3% of the population. A healthy society does not harbor 11 million people without documentation so they can be exploited by employers for cheap labor, not given proper health care and labor rights.

Right - more risk of deportations pushes them under ground and allows easier exploitation, like employers who can hold this status over their head.

People who have productively worked in the country and either paid taxes or contribute to the economy for some years should be offered pathways to naturalization or at least work visas and real legal protection.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by hypeatei » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

Gabriel54 wrote: post #510

gortok wrote: post #488

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This over-simplifies our federal system to the point of uselessness. The Federal Government is responsible for immigration. It's their job to set policies and adjudicate immigration issues. Local and State Law Enforcement are not responsible for -- and indeed it is outside of their powers to enforce immigration laws. Supreme Court precedent is that states cannot be compelled by Congress to enforce Immigration law (se…

> Supreme Court precedent is that states cannot be compelled by Congress to enforce Immigration law (see: Printz v. United States). So the supreme court struck a reasonable compromise between federal and state interests. I am not a lawyer, but I am certain that this precedent does not give states the right to actively obstruct federal agents from doing their job , that is, to enforce federal immigration law .

> does not give states the right to actively obstruct federal agents

Who said they had that right and when did this happen?

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by ty6853 » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

Ancapistani wrote: post #528

sophacles wrote: post #493

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What a strange set of ideas presented in such a small sentence fragment. * Very few people demonize gun ownership. They just want some laws preventing criminals from owning guns. * Guns are very easy to obtain, the "arms race" is a trip to the local sporting goods store. Sure, the weapon may not be super tacti-cool with a bunch of skulls and shit, but I'm pretty sure that even without all the virtue signalling decals…

> They just want some laws preventing criminals from owning guns. Criminals - you mean like illegal immigrants and those who aid and abet them?

The courts are a bit split on this. Recently in illinois a judge found an illegal immigrant is not a prohibited person if they meet some standard of community ties/integration, although I've totally forgotten what criteria the judge used.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by Me1000 » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

Gabriel54 wrote: post #523

mmanfrin wrote: post #494

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> What is the purpose of laws if they are willfully ignored? Nearly every liberty we take for granted was at one point against the law or gained through willful lawbreaking. A healthy society should be tolerant of some bending of the rules.

I agree with you. A quick search suggests that there are 11 million undocumented people in the United States, or about 3% of the population. A healthy society does not harbor 11 million people without documentation so they can be exploited by employers for cheap labor, not given proper health care and labor rights.

Yet it's interesting how we put the blame and punishment on the people being taken advantage of, and not the employers who are exploiting them. If both parties are breaking the law shouldn't we at the very least ensure that the business owner who is exploiting any number of workers is held to the same standard as an undocumented person whose only crime was not having the proper paperwork?

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by Sharlin » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

kabdib wrote: post #423

dionian wrote: post #363

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according to this story, they had a warrant: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/23/ice-...

note that ICE often attempts to treat administrative warrants as judicial warrants, and it's unclear from this reporting what they actually had [edit: it was an administrative warrant, not an _actual_ judicial warrant]

So just as valid as a piece of scratch paper with "WARANT" scrawled on it with a crayon.