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WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

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Re: WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

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Please explain how I can have a secure online conversation with my mother easily. (Easy for me, easy for her). Is it going to involve setting up my own trusted server somewhere? Is it going to involve downloading some large undocumented project and have to build myself (on my box and her box)? Is it going to require troubleshooting arcane protocols, firewalls, and xml files? I haven't seen an easy way to have secure…

No offence but I don't think the government could possibly care less about you or the conversation with your mother. There is a long list of far more important and interesting people for them to worry about. How about using whatever is the easiest, most enjoyable and trouble free setup for her to use.

I didn't downvote you either, but I call this response the narcissistic defect of security / privacy analysis. The "I'm not interesting / I've got nothing to hide / X is not interested in me" level of analysis which is about as shallow as you can go in considering privacy / security.

Because looked at from a societal level, more secure citizen communications means a society less able to be manipulated / blackmailed / spied on by bad actors, both domestic and foreign. It doesn't matter if this particular mother never says anything interesting / compromising in communications with her child, because there are many other situations where they will. Their child might be a politican, councillor, businessman doing signficant overseas deals, political activist, dissident.

Your logic is faulty on a number of levels:

* assumes only the US government is a potentially bad actor. This is simply not the case.

* assumes the political / technical climate will never become more hostile to milder expressions of dissent between citizens.

* assumes the parent poster's communications with his mother does not contain any interesting information to any potentially bad actors

Ultimately though, with all the theorizing aside, the parent is simply wanting a solution that provides secure communication with family members which is a very uncontroversial, reasonable goal to have.

Re: WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

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post #46

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"issues" That is being far too polite for what in all likelihood is the most insecure piece of software in history. Not joking. The frequency of security updates over the last decade is a disgrace. And that is without even talking about the appalling state of affairs on the Mac platform where it is still ridiculously buggy. I mean why has it taken this long to be self-updating ?

> The frequency of security updates over the last decade is a disgrace. Would you have preferred they only released security updates once a year?

I'm guessing he would have preferred it if Flash didn't have more bugs than an entomology lab.

Re: WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

#53
Here comes the glorious HTML5 revolution, reinventing things that were around for decades, but now that it's "a standard" and "in javascript" it changes everything. First it was sockets, then it was WebGL now P2P. I wonder what revolution we will have next - a standardized file system access.

Re: WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain how I can have a secure online conversation with my mother easily. (Easy for me, easy for her). Is it going to involve setting up my own trusted server somewhere? Is it going to involve downloading some large undocumented project and have to build myself (on my box and her box)? Is it going to require troubleshooting arcane protocols, firewalls, and xml files? I haven't seen an easy way to have secure…

No offence but I don't think the government could possibly care less about you or the conversation with your mother. There is a long list of far more important and interesting people for them to worry about. How about using whatever is the easiest, most enjoyable and trouble free setup for her to use.

Consider all your communications, and think about the most ambiguous statement you've ever made regarding illegal activity, whether it was a joke or not. You have to be naive if you don't care in the slightest whether the government has all your IM history. At best, they'll realize you're not a criminal and ignore you. However, at worst, you'll be made a target of some investigation, they may very well find some other ambiguous or over-broad statute you're in violation of, and then it's off to court.

Re: WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

#56

Here comes the glorious HTML5 revolution, reinventing things that were around for decades, but now that it's "a standard" and "in javascript" it changes everything . First it was sockets, then it was WebGL now P2P. I wonder what revolution we will have next - a standardized file system access.

Actually yeah. It does make a difference if it runs in a browser.

Re: WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

#57
from http://www.webrtc.org/running-the-demos#TOC-Demos : Justin Uberti (Chrome-webrtc team member) has sent in a App Engine based 1:1 video calling app. http://apprtc.appspot.com/ source code: http://code.google.com/p/webrtc-samples/source/browse/trunk/...

after source code reading (and chrome dev console output observing) you have to realize: 1. there is need of 'signaling server' 2. session encryption keys are exchanged through that server

yes, anyone could setup their small server and call through it an make sure tls / ssl cert of their server is intact etc. that will not be a case for avg Joe. not to mention tat browser itself will be an attack vector.

Re: WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

#58

"This is the most significant step forward in web browser connectivity since 2004, when Google launched Gmail and AJAX was coined." Microsoft --> AJAX[1]. And yes, I know that they aren't saying that Google --> AJAX but it kinda leaves that impression. ---- http://garrettsmith.net/blog/archives/2006/01/microsoft_inve...

AJAX as a term and design idea was coined in 2005[1], which is what intent of the quote (though it too is technically inaccurate]. The quote you listed is talking about coining the term, not inventing the technology.

If you read the article you linked, it also says this:

"Finally -- 6 years later -- Jesse James Garrett of Adaptive Path coined a catchy phrase: the term Ajax was born."

[1] http://www.adaptivepath.com/ideas/ajax-new-approach-web-appl...

Re: WebRTC is almost here, and it will change the web

#60

"This is the most significant step forward in web browser connectivity since 2004, when Google launched Gmail and AJAX was coined." Microsoft --> AJAX[1]. And yes, I know that they aren't saying that Google --> AJAX but it kinda leaves that impression. ---- http://garrettsmith.net/blog/archives/2006/01/microsoft_inve...

Microsoft invented XMLHTTP, an ActiveX object, not XMLHttpRequest, that is similar but not proprietary, and a part of Ajax. And Ajax is a term invented by Garrett - and not Microsoft - that includes several W3C formats.
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