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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by hypeatei »

kstrauser wrote: post #406

Part of the reason why I support "sanctuary cities" is that it's better for everyone if undocumented immigrants feel safe talking to the police. Imagine someone broke into my car and there was a witness who saw the whole thing. I want them to be OK telling the cops what happened. I want them to be OK reporting crimes in their neighborhood. I want them to be OK testifying about it in court. I want them to be OK callin…

This line of thinking only works if you consider illegal immigrants as people of which a certain side does not and is actively arguing that the bill of rights only applies to citizens.

Basically, if you view illegal immigrants as the end of the world, then any deferral of their deportation is equally as bad. There is no room for discussion on this topic, being "illegal" is a cardinal sin and must be punished at all costs.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by mlinhares »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #386
EgregiousCube wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The accused is accused of violating federal law, so it's normal that a federal agency would make the arrest. FBI seems to make more sense than DEA or ATF, no?

It’s not that the agency is wrong; it’s that the agency would do it. This is the agency that since J Edgar Hoover has very carefully rebuilt its reputation and is very guarded in it. This act is entirely reminiscent of the political corruption of the FBI of old. That regression, that fast, is frightening. ICE being shady is by many people accepted, the DEA, ATF even. But the FBI has built itself a pretty strong reput…

For most of its life the FBI has been a hand of the federal government to quell dissent, this new perspective on the FBI being professional and non-partisan is pretty new.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by sophacles »

kcatskcolbdi wrote: post #329
dylan604 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do you think the people willing to be a part of the armed militias you mention are NOT on the same way of thinking as what ICE is attempting to do. that's just how the militia types tend to lean, so I don't think this would have the effect you're looking for

and something tells me the side that spent decades demonizing firearm ownership probably can't win an arms race against their ideological opponents.

What a strange set of ideas presented in such a small sentence fragment.

* Very few people demonize gun ownership. They just want some laws preventing criminals from owning guns.

* Guns are very easy to obtain, the "arms race" is a trip to the local sporting goods store. Sure, the weapon may not be super tacti-cool with a bunch of skulls and shit, but I'm pretty sure that even without all the virtue signalling decals it does the primary job just fine.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by mmanfrin »

Gabriel54 wrote: post #475
kstrauser wrote: post #406

Part of the reason why I support "sanctuary cities" is that it's better for everyone if undocumented immigrants feel safe talking to the police. Imagine someone broke into my car and there was a witness who saw the whole thing. I want them to be OK telling the cops what happened. I want them to be OK reporting crimes in their neighborhood. I want them to be OK testifying about it in court. I want them to be OK callin…

What is the purpose of laws if they are willfully ignored? Where do you draw the line? If the police don't care about someone's immigration status, why should they care about who broke into your car?

> What is the purpose of laws if they are willfully ignored?

Nearly every liberty we take for granted was at one point against the law or gained through willful lawbreaking. A healthy society should be tolerant of some bending of the rules.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by trhway »

bdelmas wrote: post #484
kstrauser wrote: post #406

Part of the reason why I support "sanctuary cities" is that it's better for everyone if undocumented immigrants feel safe talking to the police. Imagine someone broke into my car and there was a witness who saw the whole thing. I want them to be OK telling the cops what happened. I want them to be OK reporting crimes in their neighborhood. I want them to be OK testifying about it in court. I want them to be OK callin…

I am going to be downvoted to oblivion but sanctuary cities for what you are saying is like a monkey patch in code. It "works" for now but it's not a long-term viable solution. A person breaking the law and be fine to be a criminal to be in a country is already the wrong mindset. And these persons are only at step 1 in a life in the US. What happens when life will be tough later are they now magically going to stop a…

>What happens when life will be tough later

are you sure that their life wasn't much tougher before they came here?

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Post by dragonwriter »

esbranson wrote: post #474
lolinder wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Party composition changes over time, and the people who made up the KKK switched parties starting when JFK backed the civil rights movement. It's the right wing militias that are the spiritual successors to the KKK, not the Democratic party. As much as I wish we had a Republican party that was an actual successor to Lincoln's, that's not how political parties work. https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/why-d…

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> > Party composition changes over time, and the people who made up the KKK switched parties starting when JFK backed the civil rights movement.

> George "segregation forever" Wallace got a number of votes at the 1976 Democratic National Convention

1.89% of the votes, yes. "Starting when" doesn't mean "immediately completed on" (the mainly civil rights-related phase of the unusually long overlapping realignment period that started with the New Deal, as well as the realignment period itself, completed around the mid-1990s; if you wanted to stake a specific endpoint marker for it, immediately after the 1994 midterm elections is probably the best point.)

> and controlled that Party well into the 1980s.

George Wallace obviously never "controlled" the Democratic Party, and certainly not into the 1980s. (Now the state party in Alabama, sure, but the state party and the national party are not the same thing.)

> As much as we don't want it to be, it's the same Democratic Party.

It's not, and you can tell it is not by seeing which of the major parties people waving confederate flags and openly preaching white supremacy demonstrate for and advocate for and turn out for on election day.

That's how political realignments work.

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Post by exe34 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #292
dylan604 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do you think the people willing to be a part of the armed militias you mention are NOT on the same way of thinking as what ICE is attempting to do. that's just how the militia types tend to lean, so I don't think this would have the effect you're looking for

> that's just how the militia types tend to lean So far. I don’t think you’d have trouble recruiting an educated, well-regulated militia from folks who believe in the rule of law.

you'd be declared an illegal immigrant and removed to hotel salvador pretty quickly at this point. The orangefuhrer has already said he's coming after the "homegrown" next.

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Post by pseudo0 »

dudeinjapan wrote: post #248
kemayo wrote: post #16

> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

Umm… why didn’t the agents just wait patiently until the proceeding was done?

They did, read the complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11...

The judge got upset that they were waiting in the public hallway outside the courtroom.

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Post by exe34 »

esbranson wrote: post #474
lolinder wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Party composition changes over time, and the people who made up the KKK switched parties starting when JFK backed the civil rights movement. It's the right wing militias that are the spiritual successors to the KKK, not the Democratic party. As much as I wish we had a Republican party that was an actual successor to Lincoln's, that's not how political parties work. https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/why-d…

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so 55-80 years ago... anything more recent?

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by trelane »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #342
trelane wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the judge did something unlawful there are already lawful mechanisms for dealing with that and NONE of those mechanisms involve ICE detaining the judge. ICE is not detaining the judge. > But Brady McCarron, spokesman for U.S. Marshals Service in Washington, D.C., said Dugan is being charged with two federal felony counts: obstruction and concealing an individual. McCarron also confirmed Dugan was arrested at abo…

Arrested by the FBI on behalf of claims from ICE. For not detaining someone extra-judicially in her own court room. There was no need to arrest someone here, especially a judge.

> For not detaining someone extra-judicially in her own court room.

This is not the charge, fortunately. The charges are listed in the paragraphs I quoted.

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