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Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by cageface »

arrrg wrote: post #41
cageface wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/mountain_lion And instead of a room full of writers, journalists, and analysts, it was just me, Schiller, and two others from Apple — Brian Croll from product marketing and Bill Evans from PR.

Sure. And? What’s your point? Apple met separately with loads of journalists. I don’t see anything special about how they treated Gruber.

Yeah you're right. An exclusive, face-to-face meeting with the senior vice president of marketing is nothing special. I'm sure things like that don't influence his writing about Apple at all.

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by muro »

reitzensteinm wrote: post #14

> Think about that: a laptop with no performance tradeoff compared to a high-end desktop. It helps if that high end desktop hasn't been updated in two years . For CPU performance, laptops lagging a couple of years behind desktops is more or less business as usual.

Even worse, it's 4 years for GPUs.

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by harpastum »

FrankBooth wrote: post #9

Think about that: a laptop with no performance tradeoff compared to a high-end desktop. Compared to a high-end desktop which has barely seen updates since 2010, and includes a GPU released in 2009, sure.

The point being made was that it is a desktop-class machine. Generally, laptops have always been convenience and portability, and desktops have had power and price point.

Obviously there are exceptions to any rule, but in this case, the display is actually better than any desktop I've seen, and the SSD and CPU/GPU give it all the power necessary for 95% of users. The price point is definitely high, but otherwise it seems best of both worlds.

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by niels_olson »

jmduke wrote: post #30
jcampbell1 wrote: post #27

I find it quite surprising that the author is so passionate about typefaces, but serves his own blog in Verdana. Good thing it is not called JaringJireJall.net [1] That being said, I really think the days of sans fonts are close to over. 10 years from now, we will all be reading on 300 dpi screens and taste in typography will return to being the dominate feature of design. I can't wait until I can read the Economist…

I'm interested in this. As someone who doesn't pay that much attention to typography (beyond the obvious 'Papyrus is bad' stuff) what makes individual typefaces preferable over a standard typeface for all similarly structured content? (Besides branding, that is.)

Edward Tufte's forum has some good discussions on type

This one is short

http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0...

but see the collection of additional threads at the bottom of that thread.*

Also, Bringhurst: http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Typographic-Style-Robert-Brin...

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*I like the "local masters" concept Tufte has (full disclosure, I helped prototype it), and Wikipedia does something similar.

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by kenjackson »

I'm probably just blind, but I have trouble seeing the difference in display quality based on resolution. And I don't think I'm alone.

When I was at the Apple Store after they launched the new iPad, there were several people who confused the iPad 2 for the new iPad. And even after being shown they were looking at the wrong one didn't go, "Oh... this one looks much better!", rather I heard from multiple people a line like, "Oh, what's the difference?"

I've looked at the HTC Titan side by side with an HTC Rezound (one of the lowest PPI versus probably the highest PPI phones) and it's really hard to tell the difference unless you're really looking hard. I think in part because even the worst PPI on phones is actually quite good.

I haven't seen the retina display on the Mac Book Retina Display, but I do hope that it lives up to the hype, as I was sorely disappointed by how incremental the iPad retina display was (versus the iPad 2).

(Note, the iPhone jump to Retina Display was a visibly dramatic improvement.)

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by pazimzadeh »

jcampbell1 wrote: post #27

I find it quite surprising that the author is so passionate about typefaces, but serves his own blog in Verdana. Good thing it is not called JaringJireJall.net [1] That being said, I really think the days of sans fonts are close to over. 10 years from now, we will all be reading on 300 dpi screens and taste in typography will return to being the dominate feature of design. I can't wait until I can read the Economist…

There is nothing wrong with Verdana if used properly. Verdana was designed specifically for digital displays at small sizes, which is how it is used on daringfireball. And HN, actually.

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by jcampbell1 »

colmvp wrote: post #36
jcampbell1 wrote: post #27

I find it quite surprising that the author is so passionate about typefaces, but serves his own blog in Verdana. Good thing it is not called JaringJireJall.net [1] That being said, I really think the days of sans fonts are close to over. 10 years from now, we will all be reading on 300 dpi screens and taste in typography will return to being the dominate feature of design. I can't wait until I can read the Economist…

"sans fonts are close to over" I'm curious as to why you believe this. Some of the most versatile fonts are sans-serif, i.e. Helvetica, Gotham, DIN, Gill Sans, Futura, and Franklin Gothic.

You are right, I don't believe that. I was exaggerating, and mostly thinking about how impossible it is to make a serif typeface that works on low dpi displays. TNR is the only serif face that is well hinted in my opinion.

There are much better options with sans typefaces, which often look nice on low dpi displays. My point was mainly that we are currently choosing among sans and TNR, rather than among all typefaces.

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by elktea »

jmitcheson wrote: post #37

It's a shame Google Chrome still doesn't render CSS3 fonts correctly on Windows. The strangest thing about it is that they barely even seem to acknowledge that it's an issue. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8950164/horrible-renderin... If you've noticed that web fonts look terrible on Windows / Chrome, please star these issues! http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=137692 http://code.google.com/p/chro…

The keyword you're looking for is 'DirectWrite'. Here's a post from January this year indicating they're working on it: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msg/chromium-dev/...

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by jopt »

FrankBooth wrote: post #13
heretohelp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me just be straight up. I'm normally an Apple skeptic and I work primarily on Linux. That said, I don't think anybody else would've bothered to make retina display available to the general public until Apple forced their hand and made it available themselves...

That said, I don't think anybody else would've bothered to make retina display available to the general public until Apple forced their hand and made it available themselves... The technology was coming, it was just a matter of time. Apple are in the unique position of controlling both the hardware and the software, which makes it far easier for them release this in a nice way where the OS and much of the software wo…

Lucky Apple, always getting there first with the inevitable.

Re: Pixel Perfect

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Post by pazimzadeh »

cageface wrote: post #51
arrrg wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. And? What’s your point? Apple met separately with loads of journalists. I don’t see anything special about how they treated Gruber.

Yeah you're right. An exclusive, face-to-face meeting with the senior vice president of marketing is nothing special. I'm sure things like that don't influence his writing about Apple at all.

That meeting happened in 2012. Gruber's been writing Daring Fireball since 2002. http://daringfireball.net/archive/
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