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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

kemayo wrote: post #119
openasocket wrote: post #62

At the moment we don't have a lot of the facts. All we seem to have at this moment is a (since deleted?) post from the head of the FBI. There's a ton of context that is missing. Like what does "intentionally misdirecting" mean? Does that mean saying "he went that way" when he really went in the opposite direction? Does it mean not answering questions about this person, or being obtuse? I'd also like to know more of t…

Article has been updated with more context in recent minutes: > ICE agents arrived in the judge’s courtroom last Friday during a pre-trial hearing for Eduardo Flores Ruiz, a 30-year-old Mexican national who is facing misdemeanor battery charges in Wisconsin. > Dugan asked the agents to leave and speak to the circuit court’s chief judge, the Journal Sentinel reported. By the time they returned, Flores Ruiz had left. S…

Or they walked into the hearing, sat in the back, and didn't interrupt it. These proceedings are almost always public, and theoretically you or I could walk in and sit quietly without violating any rules. Without knowing more, they could have just been waiting patiently for the hearing to end, and they would have arrested him outside the courtroom after he had left.

In that case, what the judge did does amount to willful obstruction.

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Post by kasey_junk »

jandrese wrote: post #184
djoldman wrote: post #155

The arrest itself (not necessarily the charges) is best described as a publicity stunt. If you want to charge a lawyer or judge or anyone unlikely to run of a non-violent crime, you invite them to the station: > “First and foremost, I know -- as a former federal prosecutor and as a defense lawyer for decades – that a person who is a judge, who has a residence who has no problem being found, should not be arrested, if…

Can you imagine being a law enforcement officer bringing a case before a judge that you previously arrested on a flimsy pretext in order to intimidate them? That's going to be awkward.

Federal agents probably don’t worry too much about being in local misdemeanor court.

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Post by ceejayoz »

dudeinjapan wrote: post #248
kemayo wrote: post #16

> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

Umm… why didn’t the agents just wait patiently until the proceeding was done?

I don't think I've ever encountered a CBP employee I'd describe as "patient".

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Post by footlose_3815 »

staplers wrote: post #136
CamperBob2 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you see, some dogs and cats were being eaten, and the other lady cackled too much, so it was inevitable, really.

It's worse actually. People lived through 2020 and wanted to do it again..

Yeah, those 19 people's investments are doing great.

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Post by bodiekane »

pjc50 wrote: post #153
intermerda wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Ah, but: freedom for "me". The libertarian HN posters are in favor of unlimited freedom for themselves and a police state for everyone else, especially non-Americans who dare to exist in America.

Libertarian is completely the opposite side of the political spectrum from police state/authoritarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

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Post by jibal »

nwienert wrote: post #101
huitzitziltzin wrote: post #24

This feels like a “break glass in case of emergency” kind of moment. Sure there are no details yet, but I’m trying to imagine details which would make me think “that arrest makes sense.” If I were in Milwaukee I’d be in the streets.

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What law are they enforcing?

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Post by staticman2 »

zepton wrote: post #207
staticman2 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if this is intended to be a hypothetical but there is no IRS form where "Drug Dealer" is the correct answer. Drug dealing income would be disclosed as "Other income". If you volunteer "drug dealer" my guess is they could use it against you. Similar to showing up at FBI headquarters and shouting "I'm a drug dealer!"

Schedule C to Form 1040 (self-employment income) asks for your "Principal business or profession, including product or service". It's pretty clear that the only correct answer for some people would be something like "drug dealer".

Unless I'm missing something you choose from a list of principal business Codes and also provide a description.

Unless "drug dealer" is one of those codes it's not an option to select that so that isn't the correct answer for code.

The instructions for the codes state, "Note that most codes describe more than one type of activity."

If you must provide a description as well you would provide one that describes more than 1 type of activity, not "drug dealer".

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Post by WhitneyLand »

kemayo wrote: post #168
willis936 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm not saying it's good, for sure. But I don't think it's a sign that the push for autocratic authoritarianism is winning , either. My optimistic take is that this is the sort of stupid overreach that works to turn other arms of government against the executive. The judiciary tends to be prickly about its prerogatives, and Trump's far from the point where he can just push stuff through without some cover.

Dear god wake up before it’s too late.

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Post by [deleted] »

daheza wrote: post #21

Since the Judiciary seem to be the only ones pushing back against the Federal overreach it makes sense to them go after them first. I don't expect Congress to start getting arrested until or if they ever do any significant pushback against Trump and his cronies. This is America now, the land of the lawless and unjust. Prepare accordingly people, if they do not like what you are doing they will use their full power to…

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Post by dylan604 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #214
kemayo wrote: post #16

> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

Under any occasion, it was inappropriate to arrest a judge like this. We’re honestly at the point where I’d be comfortable with armed militias defending state and local institutions from federal police. If only to force someone to think twice about something like this. (To be clear, I’m not happy we’re here. But we are.)

why do you think the people willing to be a part of the armed militias you mention are NOT on the same way of thinking as what ICE is attempting to do. that's just how the militia types tend to lean, so I don't think this would have the effect you're looking for
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