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The money part of App.net is a red herring

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Re: The money part of App.net is a red herring

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I donate regularly to donorschoose.org and organize a blood drive for the Philly tech scene 3-4x a year. I hope you've got a favorite cause, too :)

Well, I'm not the one with second thoughts about my payment to app.net. Still, it's a good chance to mention http://www.nothingbutnets.net/

Sweet. Thanks for sharing.

Re: The money part of App.net is a red herring

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I still don't get App.net. There's no possible way anyone outside of this tiny dev community will actually pay of a service like Twitter, yet there's no way for it to become actually relevant if it's just another echo chamber for startup hipsters

This is zero-sum thinking. App.net doesn't have to be as big as Twitter to be successful. There are many pay services to compare it to. Metafilter is one.

You're right it wouldn't need to grow to the size of Twitter to be successful, but I don't see how it would grow beyond the HN set (and just a subset then). I can't think a single reason anyone would pay for Twitter, when free Twitter already exists. The only pain point App.net really covers is for 3rd party devs who want to quit their day jobs to sell Twitter iPhone apps but can't any more.

Re: The money part of App.net is a red herring

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But that blot contains within it a pretty obvious potential to be viewed as a bat though, doesn't it? If it was say, a square with a smaller square inside it, then it's unlikly anyone would interpret it as a bat. I understand the purpose of a Rorschach test (dubious as it may be), and I get the point being made by the OP. But my point is that I have backed App.net because it looks enough like it has the potential to become something useful to me, in a number of ways. I don't feel that there's a bait and switch going on here or that I have been otherwise swindled in some way. And I'm pretty cynical most of the time.

Free but ad supported isn't the only way online, but one could be forgiven for thinking it is. I am happy to encourage anyone trying alternatives. I want to see what social services that don't need to cater to advertisers look like, and this is one such model. I wonder why some people appear quite threatened by such.

Time will tell if the service turns out to be a bat or not. I approach with few preconceptions, I'm happy to wait it out for a while and give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Seems to me he's doing OK so far.

Re: The money part of App.net is a red herring

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post #33

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I'm not sure if app.net will even begin to live up to the expectations of it's users and spectators, but maybe this is a discussion about how we would like to see services behave in the future. We can show people that respect for personal data, and an open API is greatly valued. This is bigger than Dalton, it's about what we want the services we use to look like.

This is the healthy outlook I wish more people had...and that we didn't need to throw money at a false idol to have that conversation. Hence, the money being an intentional distraction (red herring) from the real issues.

You can't have the conversation without money. Anything else is a land of wishful thinking, simply because it takes money to run the service.

I did not commit to app.net, but I am philosophically backing them. I think the meta-goal is right, even if this particular incantation is (or isn't) the right one.

Re: The money part of App.net is a red herring

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post #54

Boy, a lot of people sure hate this project, don't they?

I actually don't hate this project, I think it's interesting or else it wouldn't have caught my attention in the first place. I just noticed a few things about it and wrote what I saw.

Re: The money part of App.net is a red herring

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"By the way, I put my $50 in out of pure morbid curiosity of what’s under the hood. In retrospect, I should’ve donated to a charity." That's a pretty callous way to end a post, Alex. It's not either-or. If you really feel that way, ask for a refund. Donate the money to charity whether you get the refund or not.

I donate regularly to donorschoose.org and organize a blood drive for the Philly tech scene 3-4x a year. I hope you've got a favorite cause, too :)

The two are orthogonal. App.net is not about charity. Bring that into the conversation is, IMO, trying to confuse the conversation.

Re: The money part of App.net is a red herring

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post #41

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> People do this with politics quite frequently. Really? Do you have an example? "I didn't really think the war in Iraq would go very well, and I don't really support it; I just wanted to see what would happen."

Probably referring to giving money to candidates who have no chance of winning. Your bad faith example is ridiculous.

I couldn't think of a non-ridiculous example, so thanks for providing one. However, your bad faith assumption that I was commenting in bad faith is a dick move.

Re: The money part of App.net is a red herring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the healthy outlook I wish more people had...and that we didn't need to throw money at a false idol to have that conversation. Hence, the money being an intentional distraction (red herring) from the real issues.

You can't have the conversation without money. Anything else is a land of wishful thinking, simply because it takes money to run the service. I did not commit to app.net, but I am philosophically backing them. I think the meta-goal is right, even if this particular incantation is (or isn't) the right one.

I'm with you on the meta-goal being "right". And I didn't say to exclude money from the equation, Dalton and his team deserve to be paid for their work: once they actually solve a real pain point. Right now the pain looks a lot like fear & hope to me, two things that make people do silly, unsustainable things with their money.
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