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Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#11
Sorry to say it sounds like it's basically over. You can't fix things if you are cofounders that don't communicate or respect each other. Get out as quickly and painlessly as you can.

What does he need a lawyer for? You have no agreements, no money, no incorporation.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#12
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. He's working for the VCs (that's what he calls them I think it's rather a beginning startup accelerator) because they promised to invest in us if he helps them. 2. Well, he's sincerely convinced of his skills. That's part of the problem.

From personal experience, all I can say is absolute trust and strong communication from your cofounder is absolute. You guys lack that and having to address it at all is already a red flag in my book. Given that you brought it up and things still haven't improved, its time to shut down or talk to an attorney to sign him off. Clearly this will not go well in the long run if things don't change.

Yes. That's what I am afraid of. Thanks for commenting

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

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post #11

Sorry to say it sounds like it's basically over. You can't fix things if you are cofounders that don't communicate or respect each other. Get out as quickly and painlessly as you can. What does he need a lawyer for? You have no agreements, no money, no incorporation.

> What does he need a lawyer for? You have no agreements, no money, no incorporation.

Maybe it was just his rushed reaction. He probably thinks I owe him continuing cooperation after we've been this long in it together. Maybe he would attack if I took my code and used it. Who knows.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

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Sounds like you got a bad cofounder. I was listening to a VentureHacks talk about finding a cofounder, and they had two main points: 1. Is your team making progress? Because startups have fewer people and resources, your founding team needs to be effective producers. 2. Do you guys trust each other to have your back? An example they gave was how two cofounders were arguing over equity. Instead of arguing that the oth…

We definitely could have been more efficient, we had a lot to learn. But the biggest problem I see is that we were still quite efficient producing features but not so much validating assumptions and developing customers/users (my stance: "let's go test it now and perhaps make some mistakes publicly but get feedback early", his stance: "it won't work unless we finish feature X, we have to change our business model and implement feature Y to target customers more likely to pay because this awesome guy from this large company I just met says they would pay", my reaction: "ok, sounds reasonable, let's try it." and it of course lead nowhere :) the awesome new guy probably changed his opinion, etc.).

And yeah, I have difficulties with trust maybe in general but I believe I've done my part well enough in this case.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

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post #11

Sorry to say it sounds like it's basically over. You can't fix things if you are cofounders that don't communicate or respect each other. Get out as quickly and painlessly as you can. What does he need a lawyer for? You have no agreements, no money, no incorporation.

But what happens with copyright ? In a legal fight surely both parties will have ownership to parts of the code.

Either way get your house in order just in case. Make sure commit logs and history etc is up to date and backed up. Use Github or somewhere similar under YOUR name. Make sure your partner doesn't know the password.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#16
Fighting this much with a business partner, in my experience, doesn't end well. My best friend and I opened a PC repair shop when we were 20. After 6 months we were at each other's throats. The business stagnated and ultimately failed. Luckily it failed before we had completely ruined our friendship.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#17

Fighting this much with a business partner, in my experience, doesn't end well. My best friend and I opened a PC repair shop when we were 20. After 6 months we were at each other's throats. The business stagnated and ultimately failed. Luckily it failed before we had completely ruined our friendship.

I've heard similar stories before, many ended much worse. Now I can appreciate much better that they really do happen :)

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

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What is the agreement on equity, etc? Is it concrete? What are the chances he will remove you from the company? What is it worth to you to go after him if he does that? Is he just leading you on so you keep doing work on a prototype or project he may just abandon - though expect ownership from still? What are your overall skills? Are you working on other projects to pay bills? Do you have other ideas you'd enjoy work…

The agreement on equity is 50/50. It's originally my idea and the stuff that's technically interesting in it is mostly my work. I very much doubt he could pull it off just by himself (technically). I'd have more technical chances of success but less business (which is why I chose to work with him). I made the mistake to work solely on this project and to rely on my savings. Only lately I've started to look around for…

1) Is this agreement verbal or on paper ?

2) If you can do the technical bits then do it by yourself. Then once you have it all finished you will be the one the VCs will be chasing.

3) I don't know anybody who does consulting/freelancing in the IT industry. You are either a permanent employee or a contractor. You want to get a contracting position where you are doing something low level e.g. fixing bugs or testing websites. That way you will earn tonnes of money and not be stressed from work. Anybody can get into contracting.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#19
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The agreement on equity is 50/50. It's originally my idea and the stuff that's technically interesting in it is mostly my work. I very much doubt he could pull it off just by himself (technically). I'd have more technical chances of success but less business (which is why I chose to work with him). I made the mistake to work solely on this project and to rely on my savings. Only lately I've started to look around for…

1) Is this agreement verbal or on paper ? 2) If you can do the technical bits then do it by yourself. Then once you have it all finished you will be the one the VCs will be chasing. 3) I don't know anybody who does consulting/freelancing in the IT industry. You are either a permanent employee or a contractor. You want to get a contracting position where you are doing something low level e.g. fixing bugs or testing we…

1) It's only verbal

2) I will probably try. It's not a technological project though. It's much more Twitter-like rather than nuclear-fusion-like. So the business and execution side is really important. It involves non-trivial technology but it's no rocket science. A similar idea was very popular at a last year's TechCrunch disrupt and I see that the team is still pursuing it...

3) Interesting, that's new for me. But thinking about it actually I probably also know only people who are contracting.. In any case, I have some interesting potential offers that would allow me to learn stuff that I probably wouldn't be able to as a contractor, at least not easily.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#20
Failure to communicate is reason enough to call it quits. I'm having the same problem with my cofounder. He refuses to work via phone calls--it has to be email only. I'm in the process of withdrawing my financial investment from the company and leaving to start my own version of the same company.
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