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Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by cmelbye »

chmod775 wrote: post #24

Edit: As I said, it's not even Java: http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png Apparently it's made by Samsung. I see some Samsung logo on this website: http://www.imaso.co.kr/?doc=bbs/gnuboard.php&bo_table=ar... From what I understand it's a SDK for Samsung Smart TV's http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/17(2).png >Some probably shooped image with a small resolution >Some asian language >No proof it's made by…

If you look at one of the first sentences:

    I present you the development environment for Samsung's smart TVs.
I don't know why you're looking for Java/Android clues.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by moondowner »

chmod775 wrote: post #24

Edit: As I said, it's not even Java: http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png Apparently it's made by Samsung. I see some Samsung logo on this website: http://www.imaso.co.kr/?doc=bbs/gnuboard.php&bo_table=ar... From what I understand it's a SDK for Samsung Smart TV's http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/17(2).png >Some probably shooped image with a small resolution >Some asian language >No proof it's made by…

Legit hi-res screenshot!

I agree with all your points. It's definitely a lookalike copy of XCode, but there's no proof that it's made by Samsung nor that it's used for Smart TV.

All I can see from it is that it's some-sort of a JavaScript/HTML5? IDE.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

#33

Post by ajross »

fredoliveira wrote: post #18
randomfool wrote: post #12

Or maybe they cloned Visual Studio. Or Flash Builder. Or whatever. All of the IDEs with a design surface are largely the same. Seriously- this is an IDE for televisions.

If you've used Xcode before, you'll recognize things they copied that are not the norm in other IDEs. The object library, IB screen, the layout buttons on the toolbar (the entire toolbar, really). Sure, it's just an IDE, but heck if it doesn't look strikingly similar to Xcode. edit: cmelbye in this thread has a good comparison: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4378379

Other than the placement (but not iconography: those come straight from the 1980's VCR) of the Start/Stop buttons, I'm actually not quite sure that I see much. Can you elaborate? What's an "IB screen" (if it's the visual layout thing, I gotta say you're off by about 15 years trying to attribute that to Apple).

But fair enough: let's say they cloned it. Now what? What corrective action should be taken? What if Eclipse did the same thing (as, of course, Eclipse basically did to VC++)?

You're trying to make some kind of moral point, so it would help your case if you spelled it out.

I'll spell out my position: cloning a UI is fine. There is a long history of this in the technology industry, and we're all richer for it. Condemning someone for cloning your favorite candy maker's recipe is nothing but base fanboism, and hurtful to all of us.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

#34

Post by achamayou »

cmelbye wrote: post #17
jmduke wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A screenshot of Eclipse that I grabbed off Google Images: http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/e/eclipse_i... I don't use a lot of IDEs, but I honestly can't see any substantial distinctions between any of the three. (And no, I don't consider centering a pane a distinction.)

Oh, come on. http://i.imgur.com/8uL8M.png vs http://cl.ly/IjBC http://i.imgur.com/2Kn4j.png vs http://cl.ly/Iiob http://i.imgur.com/RYYv9.png vs http://cl.ly/IiWX We're not talking similar features here, we're talking lazy carbon-copied user interfaces. You honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? EDIT: A few more, now that we have a hi-res screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/SYSv2.png v…

But the scrollbars and widgets are not even similar, neither are the fonts, the color pickers or anything worth talking about... The only similarity seems to be blue-grayish tones, and possibly gradients (although the jpgs of the Samsung IDE are too blurry to really tell).

Surely you're not talking about the drag and drop grid either, which was around years before Apple even made IDEs.

There are plenty of lazy carbon-copied Mac themes for Windows and whatnot, this isn't even close, it's just yet another IDE with color tones that are vaguely similar to XCode (maybe ? how many windows apps aren't gray/blue these days ?).

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by thezilch »

Garbage. Alert, alert, developer modifies his IDE to be cross-platform familiar and become more productive!

    A few minutes ago I snapped this screenshot of what
    the official downloadable TV SDK looked like
    (the Samsung IDE version; not the Eclipse version):
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3526... [0]

[0] http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15447288&post...

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

#36

Post by stephan83 »

chmod775 wrote: post #24

Edit: As I said, it's not even Java: http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png Apparently it's made by Samsung. I see some Samsung logo on this website: http://www.imaso.co.kr/?doc=bbs/gnuboard.php&bo_table=ar... From what I understand it's a SDK for Samsung Smart TV's http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/17(2).png >Some probably shooped image with a small resolution >Some asian language >No proof it's made by…

I had to build a couple of Samsung TV apps, and that indeed looks like their IDE. It's Javascript (you can use HTML or Flash). Not much of a threat to Apple though, it is the worst platform I have ever developed for.

Try it for yourself: http://www.samsungdforum.com/

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

#38

Post by katabatic »

cooldeal wrote: post #37

It's funny that there are a lot of people who think doing the below is okay, but copying some GUI elements is not. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p5akC0fNzZQ/Tfdnlsy7e0I/AAAAAAAAAY...

I don't think that's OK - carbon copying Windows95 is just sad :)

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by cmelbye »

cooldeal wrote: post #37

It's funny that there are a lot of people who think doing the below is okay, but copying some GUI elements is not. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p5akC0fNzZQ/Tfdnlsy7e0I/AAAAAAAAAY...

Who specifically are you referring to? I haven't seen anyone endorse ReactOS yet at the same time vilify Samsung.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by joeoreilly »

ajross wrote: post #33
fredoliveira wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've used Xcode before, you'll recognize things they copied that are not the norm in other IDEs. The object library, IB screen, the layout buttons on the toolbar (the entire toolbar, really). Sure, it's just an IDE, but heck if it doesn't look strikingly similar to Xcode. edit: cmelbye in this thread has a good comparison: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4378379

Other than the placement (but not iconography: those come straight from the 1980's VCR) of the Start/Stop buttons, I'm actually not quite sure that I see much. Can you elaborate? What's an "IB screen" (if it's the visual layout thing, I gotta say you're off by about 15 years trying to attribute that to Apple). But fair enough: let's say they cloned it. Now what? What corrective action should be taken? What if Eclipse…

You are clearly the kind of unimaginative person Samsung is out to hire!

Oh, Interface Builder 1986.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interface_Builder

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