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Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

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Post by Tycho »

meritt wrote: post #111
cletus wrote: post #91

I can't help bit feel vindicated by moves like this because they're a sign that Quora isn't the Next Big Thing that many inside the bubble that is Silicon Valley seemed to think it is (eg [1]). Actually Quora is better than that (for me) in that it's a double hit on the hype on both Q&A and social. These kinds of moves: - requiring login to view content; - partially obscuring content on Google results to maximize sig…

Quora is simply turning into ExpertsExchange. I haven't found anything terrible insightful on Quora that I can't find at the top of an HN, Reddit or StackOverflow thread. Never quite understood the hype centered around it.

Have you ever tried, like, actually posing a question that you want the answer to?

Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

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Post by koglerjs »

ceol wrote: post #112
koglerjs wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Actually Quora is better than that (for me) in that it's a double hit on the hype on both Q&A and social. well said. fuck Quora, as the OP suggested. The best place to ask questions from the article like "What is the best way to hide an affair"--as if Quora could ever manage an honest discussion like that--is reddit. Of course, you couldn't ask the question just like that. It'd have to be more genuine, a post on /r/…

That rapist thread in /r/AskReddit was, next to the time a poor girl was harassed due to a user thinking she faked her assault story, the worst thing I've ever seen on reddit. The direct responses were exactly what the OP had asked, but the comment replies by users were flooded with rape apology and victim blaming. In one instance, a rapist had to tell people to stop apologizing for him because he knew he was an actu…

The worst things are often a truth that needs to be heard.

You are writing from a position of fear. That people can express something that shouldn't be heard.

You can't fight the truth. And you can't fight the open expression of it.

The really difficult part, which is what my post was trying to explain; the really difficult part is actually _creating_ the open expression of truth.

Because you have to have a mix between real identity and the mask of anonymous.

Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

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Post by adastra »

cletus wrote: post #91

I can't help bit feel vindicated by moves like this because they're a sign that Quora isn't the Next Big Thing that many inside the bubble that is Silicon Valley seemed to think it is (eg [1]). Actually Quora is better than that (for me) in that it's a double hit on the hype on both Q&A and social. These kinds of moves: - requiring login to view content; - partially obscuring content on Google results to maximize sig…

I think this graph by technology review says it all:

http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/427964/is-facebook-...

Looking at the value per user (shown as circle size), it's easy to see the huge difference between late 90's companies and the companies of today. Google and Facebook stand out, of course.

Notice any outliers? There's at least one company that seems to be over-hyped... (Hint: it begins with Q, and ends in "uora".)

Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

#124

Post by koglerjs »

eli wrote: post #120
ceol wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say the entire site is useless, but the good communities are few and far between due to the reddit's culture abhorring any sort of moderation. Would you like me to edit my reply to be more specific to /r/AskReddit? Certainly if you have a scientific question, /r/askscience is great, and /r/philosophy tends to be decent most of the time. But my point is that getting honest, relatively troll-free discussion…

Agreed. Compare AskReddit to something like Ask Metafilter, which is fairly aggressively moderated.

Reddit has more meta awareness than any online group that has ever existed. panichub, metacirclejerk, subredditdramadrama, ainbow--you name it, reddit's aware of it.

Or more accurately, reddit's named it because you're aware of it.

quick shoutout to google chrome for saving the text of this post when I accidentally hit command-q.

Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

#125

Post by Johngibb »

Tycho wrote: post #121
meritt wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quora is simply turning into ExpertsExchange. I haven't found anything terrible insightful on Quora that I can't find at the top of an HN, Reddit or StackOverflow thread. Never quite understood the hype centered around it.

Have you ever tried, like, actually posing a question that you want the answer to?

I have asked a bunch of questions on HN, and, like, actually gotten really good answers to them. Same with stackoverflow. Just because there are people on quora that answer questions well doesn't mean that they don't partake in questionable business practices and that you can find the answers elsewhere.

Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

#126

Post by te_chris »

manaskarekar wrote: post #26
blhack wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be wrong. Try this from incognito: https://panopticlick.eff.org/

I'm aware of that link and here's my result in Chrome on Incognito. Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 1,172,808 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 20.16 bits of identifying information.

Chrome without incognito: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 2,347,127 tested so far.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 21.16 bits of identifying information.

Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

#127

Post by nmcfarl »

ozataman wrote: post #6

Wow, this is a really big lapse of judgement on Quora's part. I'm contemplating if I should delete my account altogether. In any case, thank you for posting it here - at least people can take the precautions. Edit: That yes/no button is not at all obvious! They need some form of green/red color coding.

Yeah - I deactivated mine, less hassle than deleting, but still good enough to stop me from using the site.

Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

#128

Post by lubujackson »

ceol wrote: post #112
koglerjs wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Actually Quora is better than that (for me) in that it's a double hit on the hype on both Q&A and social. well said. fuck Quora, as the OP suggested. The best place to ask questions from the article like "What is the best way to hide an affair"--as if Quora could ever manage an honest discussion like that--is reddit. Of course, you couldn't ask the question just like that. It'd have to be more genuine, a post on /r/…

That rapist thread in /r/AskReddit was, next to the time a poor girl was harassed due to a user thinking she faked her assault story, the worst thing I've ever seen on reddit. The direct responses were exactly what the OP had asked, but the comment replies by users were flooded with rape apology and victim blaming. In one instance, a rapist had to tell people to stop apologizing for him because he knew he was an actu…

Much, much better support on Ask Metafilter. You have to pay a whole $5 for eternal access, but that's apparently enough to reduce the level of trolls by 9000%.

Re: This is a bit f'd, Quora

#129

Post by ceol »

koglerjs wrote: post #122
ceol wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That rapist thread in /r/AskReddit was, next to the time a poor girl was harassed due to a user thinking she faked her assault story, the worst thing I've ever seen on reddit. The direct responses were exactly what the OP had asked, but the comment replies by users were flooded with rape apology and victim blaming. In one instance, a rapist had to tell people to stop apologizing for him because he knew he was an actu…

The worst things are often a truth that needs to be heard. You are writing from a position of fear. That people can express something that shouldn't be heard. You can't fight the truth. And you can't fight the open expression of it. The really difficult part, which is what my post was trying to explain; the really difficult part is actually _creating_ the open expression of truth. Because you have to have a mix betwe…

I'm not writing from a position of fear. The thought process of rapists is an interesting— albeit chilling— subject to study.

My problem was with the responses to the rapists by what appeared to be normal, well-adjusted people: Heavily upvoted comments excusing what was textbook rape because alcohol was involved, or she said she wanted it at one point (or maybe she didn't and they assumed she said it), or because she "got a little slutty [and did something stupid]." There is nothing of benefit in those replies. All they serve to do is make actual rapists feel better about the fact they raped someone and make it harder for rape victims to come forward due to fear of similar reactions by friends, family, and law enforcement.

Certainly there's a benefit to anonymity in a discussion, and I'm in no way advocating for your identity to be attached to everything you post a la South Korea. My issue isn't with anonymity in general; it's with reddit. The mask of anonymity, the pervasive anti-moderation sentiment, the inexplicably held notion that they belong to some elite club of Internet-goers, and the karma system make for an at times vicious amount of groupthink and close-mindedness.

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