A Fee-Based Twitter Is No More Ideologically Pure Than An Ad-Supported Twitter
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#52"First off, App.net's interests are not economically aligned with its users. It wants money from those users, and all things being equal, those users want to keep their money. So their goals are actually diametrically opposed." After I read that, I didn't need to read anymore.. I, and I presume many others, are perfectly alright with the idea of giving money to a company that is providing a worthy product or service…
Of course more users want free services, but that doesn't mean that some users don't want a premium service, and more importantly, that those users don't add a disproportionate amount of the network effect value to a microblogging service.
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#53Look at Comcast, one of the most hated consumer companies, it charges for service but its interests are not aligned with its customers because it operates regional monopolies so their interest is in extracting as much money for as little service as possible from the locked-in users.
Compare with Apple, it operates in the highly competitive consumer electronics industry and that helps make it a world leader in customer satisfaction.
Now look at American mobile phone service operators. There exists a decently competitive market with 4 main companies, but the standard 2-year contract lock-in means all the competition happens mostly at customer acquisition where you see big deals on discount phones. But after the customer is locked-in they operate more like monopolies with hidden charges and poor service.
As for social networks, the network-effect lock-in is a huge impediment to good market competition. Once someone has their social network in place it makes it very difficult to switch. So I would think the incentives are more similar to the mobile phone market, pro-consumer at acquisition and then not so much afterwards.
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#54The element that techdirt overlooks, and that I think they did their community (and themselves) a disservice by not mentioning, is the privacy element. Because selling your personal details is a (relatively) invisible intrusion (unless the provider really screws up, ala Beacon) - there is a significant cost to the user (that cares about privacy) that is not visible to them. App.net is aligned only with the users from…
A practical example: let's say I run a cooking website, where users log in and share recipes, vote and comment on them etc.
I (the site owner) store your votes, and comments, as well as track what recipes you view.
From this I (still the site owner) can learn things about you. If you're always viewing lots of chicken recipes, I an make the assumption you're a fan of chicken. I can also note that the recipes that you view and like are "upper class", requiring expensive ingredients.
Now an advertiser for a large Chicken producer could come to me, and want to advertise its new Free Range chickens. They (the advertiser) asks me to display an ad for all people who like chickens and like expensive tastes. So I (the site owner) do this, and you (a user) see the ad.
At no point has the advertiser learnt anything about my users, or had any direct knowledge of my users and their preferences. It's a completely one-way transaction.
So if I was writing a recipe website and I wanted to fund it with advertising, that's how I'd do it. I'd probably give some kind of iTunes dynamic playlist / email filter style UI where you get to pick the types of people your ad gets seen by, but at no point would the advertiser actually learn anything about those people.
Is this still considered "selling your personal details"? Or are companies like Facebook and (presumably) Twitter actually essentially handing over their DBs?
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#55The service should be pay to publish, free to consume. You should let people follow anything they want for free, but if they want to turn on the ability to publish content into the service, then they pay
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#56Re: A Fee-Based Twitter Is No More Ideologically Pure Than An Ad-Supported Twitter
#57I don't know why this is so hard or requires such significant investment up front. How is making a decentralized Twitter service more of a challenge than, say, IRC or Jabber? I know that the problems aren't exactly the same, but I would hazard to guess that they are on the same order of magnitude in terms of implementation difficulty.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Change that to "internet advertisers", and that is exactly my assumption. Personally, I think that is a fine assumption to make. I have never seen an advertisement add value to a internet-based conversation I was having or article I was reading on the net.
So when amazon suggests that you might want to buy a certain bike helmet based on the fact you're buying a bike, you find that information utterly useless?
If I'm buying a bike then I either already have a helmet, or already know I need to buy one. So what value is the ad providing?
I'm not going to blindly purchase something without doing at least a little research (to check prices, at the very least), so the ad is just getting in the way and wasting bandwidth.
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#59The service should be pay to publish, free to consume. You should let people follow anything they want for free, but if they want to turn on the ability to publish content into the service, then they pay
But doesn't that get rid of the social aspect of "Social Media"? People like being able to comment on things - but why should they have to pay to do so? Just because someone isn't willing to pay doesn't mean that what they've got to say isn't worthwhile, and vice versa. I think a pay-to-post/free to consume setup would result in a spammy, advert ridden service, that would quickly die.
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#60The reason App.net is more trustworthy is because its founding principles are a direct response to this existential threat of advertising dollars subverting the platform. The paying users part is merely the explanation of how to make this company work, not the guarantee that they will do no wrong.