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Ask HN: Has anyone else noticed a recent sentiment shift on HN?

#1
I've frequented HN off-and-on for over a decade now, with some fairly long stretches of inactivity interspersed.

In the last couple of years in particular, I'm pretty sure I noticed a hard-shift in the kinds of posts that were being up/downvoted, comments being made, etc. This was very similar to bot activity on other platforms, and it represented a significant pull to the right. I'm not trying to be political here, but there's no way to be clear without stating it.

But, recently, it's as if all of that relented and HN has kind of "normalized" again. For instance, I'm seeing more posts that are critical of DOGE or Musk that would have been downvoted. Now it's the opposite.

I don't know if this is attributable to the discovery of bot farms that were eliminated by HN mods or something else, but it does not seem organic.

Has anyone else noticed this?

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#2
HN goes through its phases, which often coincide what is happening in the real world.

Off the top of my head, a few of the major shifts happened when:

- COVID-19 sent everyone home (suddenly a lot of graybeards disappeared)

- Elon Musk bought Twitter

- Donald Trump was inaugurated

There was also a time in the past when Facebook, Google, and Twitter employees would poke fun at the secrecy of Apple employees because they would almost never post on HN. Today, all of the big tech employees are either absent or in stealth mode. Which is a shame, because this forum has lost a lot of useful insight and institutional knowledge.

I don't know what HN's traffic or demographics are like, but my guess is that it skews a lot younger, a lot less experienced, and a lot more high school/college than it did ten years ago.

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I have noticed more downvoting in general of comments compared to pre-2022 or so, and it's not like it's trollish or bad responses being downvoted. It's an eggshell thing. Comments even get downvoted when there are replies in agreement. It's not a left-right thing. Even apolitical stuff gets downvoted. Comments about health, obesity, diet tend to get a lot of downvotes if they question conventional wisdom (obesity rates at record highs, yet any commentary or advice that deviates from convention or expertise is downvoted even these experts with their generic advice cannot actually help the majority of people lose weight).

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#7

HN goes through its phases, which often coincide what is happening in the real world. Off the top of my head, a few of the major shifts happened when: - COVID-19 sent everyone home (suddenly a lot of graybeards disappeared) - Elon Musk bought Twitter - Donald Trump was inaugurated There was also a time in the past when Facebook, Google, and Twitter employees would poke fun at the secrecy of Apple employees because th…

>HN goes through its phases

I've definitely observed this over the years, but there has also been a fair bit of consistency in the form of certain through-lines and more balance.

In any case, what I'm describing is a pretty sudden shift—in particular the recent "re-normalization".

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#9

I have noticed more downvoting in general of comments compared to pre-2022 or so, and it's not like it's trollish or bad responses being downvoted. It's an eggshell thing. Comments even get downvoted when there are replies in agreement. It's not a left-right thing. Even apolitical stuff gets downvoted. Comments about health, obesity, diet tend to get a lot of downvotes if they question conventional wisdom (obesity ra…

>It's not a left-right thing. Even apolitical stuff gets downvoted. Comments about health, obesity, diet tend to get a lot of downvotes...

Well, everything has become political though, right? I mean, you mentioned health, but that's actually a hyper-political topic.

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#10

I have noticed more downvoting in general of comments compared to pre-2022 or so, and it's not like it's trollish or bad responses being downvoted. It's an eggshell thing. Comments even get downvoted when there are replies in agreement. It's not a left-right thing. Even apolitical stuff gets downvoted. Comments about health, obesity, diet tend to get a lot of downvotes if they question conventional wisdom (obesity ra…

> It's not a left-right thing. Even apolitical stuff gets downvoted. Comments about health, obesity, diet tend to get a lot of downvotes... Well, everything has become political though, right? I mean, you mentioned health, but that's actually a hyper-political topic.

maybe political division has made people more inclined to downvote out of disagreement overall, as being symptomatic of angrier times.
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