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Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by aucisson_masque »

navigate8310 wrote: post #6

Perplexity setting up talks with phone makers is itself an anti-competitive behavior to curb an already anti-competitive behavior. Either this should be banned in entirety or let the free markets prevail.

No, what’s anti competitive is Google making an open source operating system that is worth absolutely nothing without the Google play services, and locking these play services behind contract that contains anti competitive rules, like « you have to set Google Gemini as default assistant », or « you can’t ever sell a phone without the Google play services or with any alternative than the Google play services ».

Android at its core is free and open source, every company can ship it. But Google hold one key thing in its hands, the Google play services, and use that to force others to do whatever they want them to do.

Else they can go the huawei direction, good luck making a Google play services competitor outside of China. Maybe in Russia ? That’s nothing.

Maybe perplexity ai is just better than Gemini and that’s one of the reason Motorola wanted to ship it. Maybe it’s for money. Whatever the reason, Google is abusing its dominant position to prevent competitor from competing with them.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by lostmsu »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9
navigate8310 wrote: post #6

Perplexity setting up talks with phone makers is itself an anti-competitive behavior to curb an already anti-competitive behavior. Either this should be banned in entirety or let the free markets prevail.

That's not happening. Everything that comes with a computer could be possibly construed as anti-competitive. Even the Start Menu - after all, if Start11 and StartIsBack exist, why should Microsoft have the right to ship their own start menu? How about calculators (Desmos)? The system that puts maximize, minimize, and close on windows (after all, WindowBlinds exists)? The login screen (LogonStudio)? What about the Tas…

Could draw the boundary based on average worldwide usage rate (total hours per hour).

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

lostmsu wrote: post #13
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not happening. Everything that comes with a computer could be possibly construed as anti-competitive. Even the Start Menu - after all, if Start11 and StartIsBack exist, why should Microsoft have the right to ship their own start menu? How about calculators (Desmos)? The system that puts maximize, minimize, and close on windows (after all, WindowBlinds exists)? The login screen (LogonStudio)? What about the Tas…

Could draw the boundary based on average worldwide usage rate (total hours per hour).

The Start Menu and Taskbar components of Windows Explorer is probably the most-used program in the world, and it's not even close.

It also unfairly competes and damages competition from TaskbarX, Tabame, ObjectDock, RocketDock, Start11, and countless other small businesses.

As a result, Microsoft enjoys a near-monopoly on the world's most used program, and even has the audacity to break compatibility with these competitors regularly.

And how can we be sure that the EU’s silence on the lack of competition, isn’t because Microsoft crushed all competitors before they even had a chance?

In my competitive world, in my competitive dream, car dealerships will be offering free taskbars when you refinance. The market for the world’s most used program should be open to competition from anyone.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by firesteelrain »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #11
navigate8310 wrote: post #6

Perplexity setting up talks with phone makers is itself an anti-competitive behavior to curb an already anti-competitive behavior. Either this should be banned in entirety or let the free markets prevail.

No, what’s anti competitive is Google making an open source operating system that is worth absolutely nothing without the Google play services, and locking these play services behind contract that contains anti competitive rules, like « you have to set Google Gemini as default assistant », or « you can’t ever sell a phone without the Google play services or with any alternative than the Google play services ». Androi…

So if Google closed sourced their OS and access to their store is only via their OS, is that anti competitive ?

Trying to figure out the argument.

As opposed to Apple, Android is free and open like you said. It’s the Google Play Store that has limited access.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by xnx »

It continues to baffle me that Google gets harassed by the courts for being a better actor in almost every area it participates.

Open source Android vs. closed iOS

Install apps from any source on Android vs. total restriction on iOS

Switch default app for browser (and many other things!) vs. No choice but Safari tech on iOS

Easy switch of search provider in Chrome vs. countless dark patterns pushing Edge and Bing on Windows

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by ivape »

Everyone's trying to fight for a piece of the AI walled-garden pie. I guess it's only getting divided up between a few players all over again. Nice try Perplexity, and I do see it as forewarning for the power play OpenAI will attempt (we just don't know what it will be yet).

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by setsewerd »

xnx wrote: post #16

It continues to baffle me that Google gets harassed by the courts for being a better actor in almost every area it participates. Open source Android vs. closed iOS Install apps from any source on Android vs. total restriction on iOS Switch default app for browser (and many other things!) vs. No choice but Safari tech on iOS Easy switch of search provider in Chrome vs. countless dark patterns pushing Edge and Bing on…

Aren't those first two points being phased out?

E..g. Google recently announced that it will be moving Android development entirely to its private internal branch, no more development sharing. They say they'll still be open source, but Google has been caught lying about a lot of things lately.

(Sent from my Android.)

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by mullingitover »

islewis wrote: post #7
bearjaws wrote: post #3

Why wouldn't they? 1. Already in anti-trust related to ads, AI is probably in the clear. 2. If they are thought to violating a law they will get like a $10,000,000 fine and pay it, still less money than they will make from harvesting data.

> Already in anti-trust related to ads, AI is probably in the clear. "Already in trouble for committing monopolist behavior in market A, Google should be fine committing even more monopolist behavior in the very related and overlapping market of B" This makes claim makes pretty little sense to me. AI search and Google web search (ads) are already stepping on each other. I see no reason that Google wouldn't be worried…

Seems like the real issue is that Google is using proceeds from the core illegal monopoly to fund a dumping operation in another market in order to establish a monopoly there. They've been able to dump a free browser on the market and smother any potential competition in that space in the same fashion.
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