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Re: Google to buy Frommer's

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I'd speculate that, just as with the Zagat purchase, they were singularly interested in a brand with recognition in those 40 years and older. (Maybe since they are seeing the Google brand erode in quality and value to those under 40...)

Do the Frommer's and Zagat brands mean anything to those under 40? My instinct is that they probably don't.

Re: Google to buy Frommer's

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I'd speculate that, just as with the Zagat purchase, they were singularly interested in a brand with recognition in those 40 years and older. (Maybe since they are seeing the Google brand erode in quality and value to those under 40...)

Do the Frommer's and Zagat brands mean anything to those under 40? My instinct is that they probably don't.

I'm in my late twenties and I know both brands though I had almost zero interaction with Zagat in any purposeful sort of way. I never sought out a list of Zagat rated restaurants. I did use Frommer's for trip planning though often it was browsing in the bookstore or library rather than purchasing.

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I haven't looked at any in a very long time, but I recall Frommer's guidebooks as having the feel of McDonald's, relative to say Lonely Planet. I'm eager for the Wikimedia Travel project to get underway https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_Guide

What about http://wikitravel.org ?

Depends on the location. For example, wikitravel is much better for Tokyo or Kyoto than the modern version of the Frommer's or Lonely Planet guidebooks. Having recently been, the Frommer's and LP ones read more like a coffee table book for people who want to visit and list everything they'd see rather than actually figure out what to go to and how to get between them.

Re: Google to buy Frommer's

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the Frommer's and Zagat brands mean anything to those under 40? My instinct is that they probably don't.

I'm in my late twenties and I know both brands though I had almost zero interaction with Zagat in any purposeful sort of way. I never sought out a list of Zagat rated restaurants. I did use Frommer's for trip planning though often it was browsing in the bookstore or library rather than purchasing.

Interesting, though not entirely surprising. I'd surmise that your usage is representative the maximum utility for most people under 40.

Did you seek them out or did you discover them incidentally while in the respective "Travel" sections?

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I'm guessing many here don't know this, but travel agents today (yes they still exist) often recommend Frommer's guides.

I run KangaCruise.com, we considered syndicating Frommer's guides for destinations, and actually still haven't written it off.

Re: Google to buy Frommer's

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Having ran a travel directory site for a bit I'm always interested in Google's ambitions in the space. I still haven't completely understood why Google bought Zagat, and now Frommer's is a bit odd as well. My theories -

1) Small business relationships - well established relationships with long-established small businesses that may never have tried advertising online. Every listing is a potential new Adwords customer. I know someone who worked with Zagat and the 1st thing they did was swap out the ad network, so I'd say this is reason #1. These guys have very trusting and loyal ad partners

2) Brand recognition and perception of quality control in consumer listings.

3) Databases - its really hard to get a complete database of small business info from foreign countries. Googlebot is just never going to as good of a job cleaning up this content as a decent editorial staff. These guys have been intricately compiling and updating DBs of eateries and attractions for decades.

4) The guidebooks - I doubt the revenue from selling paper guidebooks means much to Google, but it might be a lesson in selling digital content, who knows

5) They acquired them both for a steal. A bunch of editors working for peanuts, content and new adwords customers scooped up at a fire sale.

Re: Google to buy Frommer's

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I haven't looked at any in a very long time, but I recall Frommer's guidebooks as having the feel of McDonald's, relative to say Lonely Planet. I'm eager for the Wikimedia Travel project to get underway https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_Guide

I find the Lonely Planet guidebooks are targeted at a very specific sort of traveler (one that is younger and cooler). I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for my parents.

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I haven't looked at any in a very long time, but I recall Frommer's guidebooks as having the feel of McDonald's, relative to say Lonely Planet. I'm eager for the Wikimedia Travel project to get underway https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_Guide

What about http://wikitravel.org ?

Assuming the Wikimedia Travel project gets off the ground, Wikitravel and its forks, or at least the material and active users and admins of these, will migrate to the new project.

Wikitravel is pretty good, but uneven depth of coverage. I usually read at least the main Wikipedia article and Wikitravel article about places I'm going to, and web search and sites like Yelp for details. Together this is a huge improvement over guidebooks. With more attention that a Wikimedia travel site would get, I'd expect even more/better for the types of things I look at Wikitravel for now, probably meaning I'd need to search/yelp/etc just a bit less.

(Of course most people would get to Wikimedia Travel via Google, and they could use WT content, so it'd be a win for Google just like Wikipedia, even if it made their purchase of Frommer's worth less.)

Re: Google to buy Frommer's

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I'd speculate that, just as with the Zagat purchase, they were singularly interested in a brand with recognition in those 40 years and older. (Maybe since they are seeing the Google brand erode in quality and value to those under 40...)

Do the Frommer's and Zagat brands mean anything to those under 40? My instinct is that they probably don't.

I'm in my early 20s, and I have heard of (and respect) Zagat. I'd never heard of Frommer's until this story broke.

Re: Google to buy Frommer's

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I haven't looked at any in a very long time, but I recall Frommer's guidebooks as having the feel of McDonald's, relative to say Lonely Planet. I'm eager for the Wikimedia Travel project to get underway https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_Guide

I find the Lonely Planet guidebooks are targeted at a very specific sort of traveler (one that is younger and cooler). I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for my parents.

I think that's about right although Lonely Planet is more "mainstream" than it once was. Arguably, Rough Guides try to be the way Lonely Planet was a few years back. Frommer and Fodor are more limited to the more standard tourist attractions, restaurants, and hotels.
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