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Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by solenoid0937 »

llm_nerd wrote: post #83
xvector wrote: post #63

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I've worked at most FAANG companies, including Google, Apple, and Meta in the past (not currently). In my experience working at these companies and diving into the reported incidents/issues (e.g. Batterygate, Myanmar, Cambridge Analytica), I have found that comments like yours present an overly reductive worldview. You are likely entirely informed by ragebait news articles that grossly misrepresent the issues as oppo…

>You are likely entirely informed by ragebait news articles Sure . Do you think I haven't experienced every aspect of Meta properties? Instagram reels, for instance, is a racist hellhole full of the most vile content and snuff videos. It seems to have zero moderation, profiting off of the worst of humanity[1]. Facebook actively runs obvious scam ads for scam businesses and does absolutely nothing if you report it. Me…

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Post by llm_nerd »

carlosjobim wrote: post #183
llm_nerd wrote: post #48

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What is ugly or uncivil about noting someone's biases? The "your small businesses would fail without Meta" line is from the official lobbyist arm of Meta, and it's usually a pretty good tell that someone is a Meta employee and is thus likely to have a very rose coloured, idealized version of the org.

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Post by kubb »

iagooar wrote: post #175
kubb wrote: post #137

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The opinion is so detached from reality that it’s not going to result in a useful discussion. There’s nothing about America in the consumer protection laws. It doesn’t matter if the service provider is a corporation or a non profit. You can have any opinion you want but if you don’t ensure the quality of it, people will call it out for what it is. In some circles you can defend lack of intellectual rigor with „any op…

> The opinion is so detached from reality that it’s not going to result in a useful discussion. Maybe you should try. > There’s nothing about America in the consumer protection laws. It doesn’t matter if the service provider is a corporation or a non profit. Thierry Breton and his "the sheriff is in town". Jean-Noël Barrot: "Apply with the Greatest Firmness" Axel Voss, German MEP, called for the EU to use the DSA aga…

When it comes to election interference it’s more like EU vs Russia. Who owns the platforms is secondary, it’s not like TikTok should be allowed to do election interference because it isn’t American.

You’ll learn in the course of your future experience that not every discussion will introduce a new perspective into your life. And you usually can tell very early when that’s the case.

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Post by thrance »

xvector wrote: post #36

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Blaming Europe for "rent-seeking" when enforcing basic consumer protections rules on those massive foreign-propaganda disinformation and wealth extraction engines really takes the cake. Fuck Meta, if it was up to me Facebook, Instagram and X would have been long gone from European soil. We gain nothing from them.

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Post by alxlaz »

fidotron wrote: post #192
alxlaz wrote: post #177

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No, they did the equivalent of saying to Coca-Cola if you discover a customer via the App Store then you cannot tell them they can buy Coca-Cola from outside the App Store, too, a decidedly anti-competitive practice that also happens to be illegal in just about every European country, even without EU intervention.

You cannot tell them _within the app_. You absolutely can tell the customer via your website or any other means you use to communicate with them. Do you expect Amazon marketplace sellers to be able to link to their items being on ebay or shopify from the actual Amazon website?

> Do you expect Amazon marketplace sellers to be able to link to their items being on ebay or shopify from the actual Amazon website?

From the Amazon website? No. From the products they're selling? Yes, absolutely, and lots of them do, I get one of those business cards with "Find us on Amazon/Ebay/Shopify/whatever" in the box with almost every purchase.

Same with apps. I obviously don't expect them to link to items from other stores from their App Store description pages. But from their application? Yes, I totally expect that.

That's how marketplaces everywhere work, including IRL. Go to any farmer's market and most sellers will give you a business card with their website or phone number so you can also order from them directly, or from their Amazon/Shopify/whatever page.

Edit: not to mention that this is 2025, the distinction between "within the app" and "via your website" is pretty meaningless in a bunch of cases.

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Post by libertine »

boxed wrote: post #109
antirez wrote: post #52

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Do you realize that the smartphone revolution started here with Nokia?

Well.. ish. But really it started with iPhone. I've used those Nokia "smartphones". They were less the start of the smartphone revolution than PalmPilot or the IBM PC.

It didn't start with the iPhone. What the iPhone brought was a different interface and user experience.

For the rest, Nokia's "dumb phones" already had MP3 players and all sorts of media (games, videos), downloadable apps, access to the internet, photos, and video recording. They only lacked touch interfaces.

Of course, this was done along with other manufacturers like Sony Ericson, Motorola, Samsung etc.

The behavior of people walking around with media in their phones and using their phones to consume media, capture media and access the internet on-the-go was built by those brands, not by the iPhone.

And this demand and behavior wasn't built with anything like Palm Pilots or the IBM PC, but with regular popular phones - for example, the Motorola Razr line, the Nokia Xpress line, and the Sony Ericson Walkman were products that were launched around 2003-2006, which built these social behaviors.

Things like capturing photos/video, sharing photos and music, and playing multiplayer games were the standard thing to do in my teens with these devices. I only got my first modern smartphone around 2012/2013.

It's undeniable that the iPhone broke the mold with its user interface and experience, which became the standard for UI/UX, but the demand and consumer behavior weren't built by Apple, not even close. They just surfed the wave with a better product.

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Post by xnorswap »

Aurornis wrote: post #178
rsynnott wrote: post #141

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I'm a bit surprised usage was ever that high; that would imply that almost 10% of the population was using _Facebook Marketplace_! I think I've looked at it maybe twice since it launched, to admire all the weird scams. Maybe it's gotten better since? It used to be sub-ebay levels of complete nonsense.

Facebook Marketplace is extremely popular depending on the city you’re in. It has taken the place of Craigslist for younger generations.

What surprises me is how much people on this site underestimate facebook.

Facebook literally is the internet for millions of people.

Facebook marketplace is far larger than craigslist and ebay combined, even if you take both of those at their respective peaks.

The open web might seem huge, but it's actually dwarfed in size by Facebook.

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Post by agos »

fp64 wrote: post #204
tossandthrow wrote: post #110

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Big German newspapers do not need to comply under DMA. The EU focusses, rightfully, on EU macro dynamics with these laws, not how smaller outlets work. This is very much reasonable. When a platform is big, it has bigger impact, but also bigger budgets to hire legal help and bigger budgets to stay compliant. This is well established in accounting where there exists different rules depending on size (in many jurisdicti…

What’s another example of different rules depending on size? “Content Moderation” I think? Anything outside the DMA? I think small companies get some exceptions for documentation requirements?

in my part of Europe there are tons: companies over a certain size might have different rules for layoffs, have to have union representatives, must pay for safety courses for the employees, must employ a certain percentage of people with disabilities...

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Post by orwin »

LunaSea wrote: post #100
fidotron wrote: post #35

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Except the smartphone market isn't a monopoly. 20 years ago Europe had a thriving phone industry. Now it's just gone, and they want to blame everyone else for this, and fail to reflect on why it happened.

The United States regularly spies and throws federal lawfare at European companies. E.g: Alstom So I wouldn't consider the playing field to be fair in the first place.

With a lot of help/pressure from banks and rich traitors/politicans (https://www.marianne.net/economie/economie-francaise/dans-le...).

They mostly use our corruption against us, whis seems fair since it appears a big part of our population like protecting corrupt politicians/criminals

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Post by tossandthrow »

fp64 wrote: post #204
tossandthrow wrote: post #110

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Big German newspapers do not need to comply under DMA. The EU focusses, rightfully, on EU macro dynamics with these laws, not how smaller outlets work. This is very much reasonable. When a platform is big, it has bigger impact, but also bigger budgets to hire legal help and bigger budgets to stay compliant. This is well established in accounting where there exists different rules depending on size (in many jurisdicti…

What’s another example of different rules depending on size? “Content Moderation” I think? Anything outside the DMA? I think small companies get some exceptions for documentation requirements?

It is a derivative of what is called the "Risk Based Approach" in compliance, and is widely adopted.

As for companies and accounting you can look into the directive 2013/34/EU that established micro, small, and medium sized companies based on their size. These types of companies have different reporting requirements.

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