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Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by codingbot3000 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #172
rini17 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem was that Silicon Valley was flooded with capital and bought out all competitors. Or undercut with free. Or all kinds of other Microsoftlike practices. So nobody was left in the EU to advocate for better rules.

If that is true, how come new competitors spring up all the time in Silicon Valley and other places in the US while the European sector lies dormant?

That's just a US propaganda myth people can't stop parroting. The SV ecosystem is definitely better funded, but there is no lack of digital start-ups in the EU.

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Post by thrance »

irusensei wrote: post #54
ENGNR wrote: post #6

Would looove to distribute an app without it having to be in the App Store, and not paying the App Store fee (direct download of signed binary). Happy to pay a yearly fee or fee per update to cover code review if it’s crucial. But 30% of revenue for doing bugger all… cmon, they’re squeezing the lemon a bit too hard.

Personally I wouldn’t install software unless it were from a really trusted person doing something extremely unique and useful that doesn’t have an alternative on the Apple Store (think UTM with JIT for iPad). Please don’t take that as a negative comment but I suspect most people source their software from conveniently centralized repos whether it be App Store, Steam or even the main package manager on a Linux distri…

You mentioned linux package managers, these existing are proof enough that a 30% cut isn't required for ensuring the safety of what you install. In fact, I'd wager there is that much more dangerous garbage in the app store than in pacman's database.

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Post by codingbot3000 »

iagooar wrote: post #84

The EU is using populist claims to introduce laws with ideological bias (big corp bad, America bad, America corp super bad). Everyone knows the digital act was never meant to be a fair set of rules, it was introduced to punish US companies at will. At the same time, most governments, public offices, agencies and businesses in Europe would not be able to operate normally without access to American software. The proble…

Can't deny that some EU politicians (mostly conservative ones, surprise, surprise) have a hidden agenda behind it.

The statement that gov & businesses in Europe would not be able to operate normally without American software is easy to disprove. Just look at how easy the Chinese or the Russians could shed or avoid their dependency on crappy Microsoft or expensive US cloud providers. The problem is just that many European politicians are so technically inept they believe it themselves.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by fp64 »

tossandthrow wrote: post #110
onli wrote: post #32

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It's not completely unwarranted. According to the article, Facebook was fined for their model of asking for pay or accept tracking. Which is exactly what almost all publishers do, e.g. all big German newspapers. It's absolutely clear that this is against the law - they could show ads, but can't invade the users privacy for that, so no tracking ads - but they do it anyway and got away with it in various decisions. And…

Big German newspapers do not need to comply under DMA. The EU focusses, rightfully, on EU macro dynamics with these laws, not how smaller outlets work. This is very much reasonable. When a platform is big, it has bigger impact, but also bigger budgets to hire legal help and bigger budgets to stay compliant. This is well established in accounting where there exists different rules depending on size (in many jurisdicti…

What’s another example of different rules depending on size? “Content Moderation” I think? Anything outside the DMA? I think small companies get some exceptions for documentation requirements?

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Post by arrowsmith »

popol12 wrote: post #26
intrasight wrote: post #16

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From what I hear, users are tired of installing apps. You can make a website and not face any gatekeepers or restrictions.

What if your app needs to send notifications and/or use bluetooth, for instance ?

Most apps that "need" to send notifications don't, in fact, need to.

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Post by g-b-r »

tremon wrote: post #194
judge2020 wrote: post #162

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> "pay or consent" advertising model, Wait, so the EU has made it illegal to sell a paid service while also offering an alternative where the user pays via seeing ads?

No, the EU has made it illegal to extort payment before allowing people to opt-out of data collection or profiling.

Except for newspapers

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by tossandthrow »

iagooar wrote: post #179
dabeeeenster wrote: post #136

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Thanks for proving my point that they need more taxation.

Are you saying that if a business (or individual) wants to pay the lowest tax possible (legally, that is) it should be a reason for more taxation? Is that what taxation is about, revenge?

Of cause that is a reason for more taxation.

There are 2 types of taxes: Those we charge for revenue and those we charge for behavior.

We don't charge income tax to deter people from working. We charge income tax because we really need money to fund stuff.

If you can not raise enough money, because companies / individuals are optimizing their tax, then you change it such that the budget holds.

... Oh well, I reckon if you are in the US you just keep borrowing. In that case, sorry about my reasoning.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by tantalor »

tremon wrote: post #194
judge2020 wrote: post #162

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> "pay or consent" advertising model, Wait, so the EU has made it illegal to sell a paid service while also offering an alternative where the user pays via seeing ads?

No, the EU has made it illegal to extort payment before allowing people to opt-out of data collection or profiling.

Extortion is a stretch. Nobody is being forced to use these services.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by mapcars »

sussmannbaka wrote: post #129
mapcars wrote: post #117

> while Meta drew a penalty of €200 million for its "pay or consent" advertising model, which requires that European Union users pay to access ad-free versions of Facebook and Instagram Wait, isn't pretty much all web content is like this nowadays? You have to buy youtube premium to avoid ads, how is it different?

It’s not about being shown ads, it’s about collecting (and sharing to third parties) private information that goes beyond the technically required amount to use the service. GDPR says companies need to get my consent in order to do that, that I am free to not give this consent and that a service can’t not be provided to me just because I don’t give this consent. Facebook and a bunch of other companies said “aha! We’l…

Thanks for clarifying, it was confusing to figure that out from the article

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by tzs »

iagooar wrote: post #175
kubb wrote: post #137

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The opinion is so detached from reality that it’s not going to result in a useful discussion. There’s nothing about America in the consumer protection laws. It doesn’t matter if the service provider is a corporation or a non profit. You can have any opinion you want but if you don’t ensure the quality of it, people will call it out for what it is. In some circles you can defend lack of intellectual rigor with „any op…

> The opinion is so detached from reality that it’s not going to result in a useful discussion. Maybe you should try. > There’s nothing about America in the consumer protection laws. It doesn’t matter if the service provider is a corporation or a non profit. Thierry Breton and his "the sheriff is in town". Jean-Noël Barrot: "Apply with the Greatest Firmness" Axel Voss, German MEP, called for the EU to use the DSA aga…

By that ridiculous argument the federal case against Al Capone showed that the US tax code was ideologically biased against Italian Americans.
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