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Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by skummetmaelk »

iagooar wrote: post #84

The EU is using populist claims to introduce laws with ideological bias (big corp bad, America bad, America corp super bad). Everyone knows the digital act was never meant to be a fair set of rules, it was introduced to punish US companies at will. At the same time, most governments, public offices, agencies and businesses in Europe would not be able to operate normally without access to American software. The proble…

That's a lot of emotional words without a single bit of context from the actual article. Your comment is better suited to FOX news' website.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by 13_9_7_7_5_18 »

rokkamokka wrote: post #88
_mlbt wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a terrible idea. How would they have any control over that. I think you are way overestimating the amount of iOS users that want to use software from outside the App Store.

Agreed, the only realistic way they could hit such a target is to shut down their own app store...

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by zpeti »

tiborsaas wrote: post #18
JSR_FDED wrote: post #14

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Because the fine is exactly about giving people a more fair chance to vote with their wallets. This is from the Yahoo article: "The EU competition watchdog said Apple must remove technical and commercial restrictions that prevent app developers from steering users to cheaper deals outside the App Store."

You can buy an android or huawei phone. Just because the ecosystem you like to use doesn't have certain features doesn't make it a monopoly.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by iagooar »

skummetmaelk wrote: post #91
iagooar wrote: post #84

The EU is using populist claims to introduce laws with ideological bias (big corp bad, America bad, America corp super bad). Everyone knows the digital act was never meant to be a fair set of rules, it was introduced to punish US companies at will. At the same time, most governments, public offices, agencies and businesses in Europe would not be able to operate normally without access to American software. The proble…

That's a lot of emotional words without a single bit of context from the actual article. Your comment is better suited to FOX news' website.

I don't see how your comment is adding value to the discussion besides claiming emotionality and an absurd reference to FOX news, which implies that my opinions are not welcome here and I should go elsewhere with them.

My post is my opinion, offering an entry point for a discussion to those who might have a different opinion from mine.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by LunaSea »

fidotron wrote: post #75
acdha wrote: post #66

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Except that there are hundreds of other food options while there are only two realistic options for smartphones, neither of which is cooking at home. The tight control has benefits - Apple’s App Store is much safer than letting your parents install stuff they find on the internet - but there’s a real downside which needs regulation to balance.

So we want to punish people that choose that option? Europe could easily have had a homegrown alternative to the Play Store on Android. In fact at one time it had several, only the users had no interest at all, and this was before Google went through their phase of locking things down more. The vision for what became the Play Store was born from ex GetJar, and I was told by several Googlers at the time that they were…

> Europe could easily have had a homegrown alternative to the Play Store on Android. In fact at one time it had several, only the users had no interest at all, and this was before Google went through their phase of locking things down more.

So why should users not have the option anymore because years ago the existing options were worse than Google's?

Should you be forbidden to buy an iPhone because you used until Androids until now and passed on iPhones?

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by phtrivier »

> Apple faces a €500 million fine for breaching the regulation’s rules for app stores, while Meta drew a penalty of €200 million for its "pay or consent" advertising model,

> The procedural fines fall short of the two giant penalties issued by the EU executive under its antitrust laws last year: €1.8 billion to Apple for abusing its dominant position while distributing music streaming apps, and €797 million to Meta for pushing its classified ads service on social media users.

Really honest questions: are those fines actually paid, in practice ? Is there a way for a citizen to know ? (As in, do they appear in the public budget of the UE ?) Or are they somehow deducted from subsidies, added to taxes, etc... ?

I know who collects taxes in France ("Le Tresor Public"). I don't know of a EU version of a treasury. Is it collected by one of the member states (Ireland, I would guess ?)

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by madeofpalk »

stavros wrote: post #50
madeofpalk wrote: post #17

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Also, https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_... > The Commission takes the preliminary view that Apple failed to comply with this obligation [to allow third party app stores] in view of the conditions it imposes on app (and app store) developers. Developers wanting to use alternative app distribution channels on iOS are disincentivised from doing so as this requires them to opt for business term…

The two companies have two months to comply, or there will be daily fines.

I don't think so - they’ve only been fined for the in-app anti-steering provisions.

For the second App Marketplace issue, I think that’s just a preliminary finding and is going to take longer to work out

> Apple now has the possibility to exercise its rights of defence by examining the documents in the Commission's investigation file and by responding to the preliminary findings

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by LunaSea »

fidotron wrote: post #35
avtolik wrote: post #24

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Because in a case of monopoly, the people can not vote with their wallet.

Except the smartphone market isn't a monopoly. 20 years ago Europe had a thriving phone industry. Now it's just gone, and they want to blame everyone else for this, and fail to reflect on why it happened.

The United States regularly spies and throws federal lawfare at European companies.

E.g: Alstom

So I wouldn't consider the playing field to be fair in the first place.

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