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Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Press release: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_...

Huh, so Facebook Marketplace is no longer designated as a Gatekeeper because it has not enough business users.

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Other related PR: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_...

This rules that the "Core Technology Fee" is de facto illegal.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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I don't understand meta's statement that this handicaps american businesses while allows European and Chinese companies to operate under different standards.

It's not completely unwarranted. According to the article, Facebook was fined for their model of asking for pay or accept tracking. Which is exactly what almost all publishers do, e.g. all big German newspapers. It's absolutely clear that this is against the law - they could show ads, but can't invade the users privacy for that, so no tracking ads - but they do it anyway and got away with it in various decisions. And now Facebook gets a huge fine for the same behaviour.

Which is good in a way, maybe it will lead to a behaviour correction also for the smaller publishers. But it's of course not an equal treatment.

Apple on the other hand completely deserves its fine, without a question. They got clear rules and did everything to circumvent them. The Apple's Core Technology Fee was obviously illegal. Don't know why they expected to get away with that, there wasn't even a minimal chance of that working. Idiots.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I hear, users are tired of installing apps. You can make a website and not face any gatekeepers or restrictions.

What if your app needs to send notifications and/or use bluetooth, for instance ?

There are web APIs for both.

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I hope this will make Apple finally comply with EU law and allow app side loading on iOS. Real side loading, not the joke they implemented since iOS 17.

I would not hold my breath. They are adept at malicious compliance. Cook will do a cost/benefit assessment and will come up with another workaround.

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Because in a case of monopoly, the people can not vote with their wallet.

Except the smartphone market isn't a monopoly.

20 years ago Europe had a thriving phone industry. Now it's just gone, and they want to blame everyone else for this, and fail to reflect on why it happened.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if your app needs to send notifications and/or use bluetooth, for instance ?

From what I hear, most users disable notifications. You can do like Airbnb and send text messages. You can do Bluetooth in JavaScript through the Web Bluetooth API.

A little caveat of Web Bluetooth API is that it's like WebUSB and mostly available on Chrome. I don't think Chrome for iOS is using blink yet so you'll probably not have access to this API on iOS.

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I don't understand meta's statement that this handicaps american businesses while allows European and Chinese companies to operate under different standards.

The measures apply by size, not by country of origin. It happens that the companies over the threshold are American. So their statement is basically untrue, but that's politics these days.

Spotify conveniently falls outside of the scope of this law when any artist would tell you it should absolutely be covered.

The DMA is gerrymandered to exclude domestic businesses. Whenever the EU faces budget shortfalls, they know they can just make up some bullshit law and fine US tech.

> EU are basically enforcing market capitalism by disallowing monopolistic practices.

Users are free to just not buy iOS devices. Users are free to just not use Meta services.

There is no monopoly here. This is all much ado about nothing.

No real-world user is meaningfully harmed by the current state of Apple App Store/Meta Ads, but plenty will be harmed once spyware/piracy sideloading becomes common. Many small businesses will collapse due to ineffective advertisement (large businesses will love it though - it becomes a winner-take-all market).

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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> The EU fines could stoke tensions with U.S President Donald Trump who has threatened to levy tariffs against countries that penalise U.S. companies. Mark Zuckerberg, in his appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast, specifically noted this as his goal for falling in behind Trump. That Trump would be the big-stick man that would protect Meta and other cos from foreign interference. Where "interference" is anything restricti…

Most Canadian small businesses rely on Meta to get customers.

If you think these companies don't add value, you are totally oblivious to the millions of small businesses that rely on these platforms to reach customers and niche audiences around the world.

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