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The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by nrclark »

Beijinger wrote: post #2

"If you are like most Americans, chances are, you probably believe that Atlantis or another civilization like it once existed. A survey conducted by Chapman University in October 2014 found that, at that time, roughly 63% of people in the United States agreed or strongly agreed with the statement “ancient, advanced civilizations, such as Atlantis, once existed.” I am pretty sure that Atlantis existed in one way or an…

> We found that the the Great Flood in the book of Genesis existed

Floods are certainly a thing that happens in nature - especially to the flood plains that surrounded large rivers like the Euphrates before dams were a thing.

Are you referring to a specific event? Or just floods in general?

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by begueradj »

That does not make the existence of Atlantis a mere fiction.

With the end of the Ice Age and its consequences, plenty of civilizations may have disappeared in deep waters. The Sumerians themselves claimed they received their knowledge from a man who visited them by the sea (fish-man like creature) on the aftermath of the great flood which may have buried plenty of Atlantis-like civilizations which could be the missing links to understand how, for instance, the Egyptians built the pyramids.

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

FloorEgg wrote: post #8

I could take this article more seriously if it were to credibly refute the possibility that the capital of Atlantis was the richat structure, and that the empire of Atlantis covered the saharah, with a port of entry just outside the straight of Gibraltar. I think its accepted that ~13,000 years ago the Sahara was lush forests and grasslands, and around that time there was a significant meteor strike (or several) that…

The Richat Structure is the result of natural geological processes. Other than having concentric circles, it doesn't match Plato's description of Atlantis, and there is no evidence that any large city was ever there.

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by nartho »

Beijinger wrote: post #7
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why should Atlantis not have a real history in it Plato never intended to describe a real city. Atlantis is a metaphor for hubris and the moral decay that follows, which, in my opinion, is quite apparent when you read his descriptions of the city. The details he describes don't make sense as a real city.

Well, does it make sense to slay a dragon and take a bath in his blood? It is a metaphor but it has a real basis.

Achilles was bathed by his mom in the river Styx, not in the blood of a dragon.

I still don't follow your point though.

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by FloorEgg »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #13
FloorEgg wrote: post #8

I could take this article more seriously if it were to credibly refute the possibility that the capital of Atlantis was the richat structure, and that the empire of Atlantis covered the saharah, with a port of entry just outside the straight of Gibraltar. I think its accepted that ~13,000 years ago the Sahara was lush forests and grasslands, and around that time there was a significant meteor strike (or several) that…

The Richat Structure is the result of natural geological processes. Other than having concentric circles, it doesn't match Plato's description of Atlantis, and there is no evidence that any large city was ever there.

"The Richat Structure is the result of natural geological processes." - this is irrelevant

"Other than having concentric circles, it doesn't match Plato's description of Atlantis" - in what way? Be specific.

"and there is no evidence that any large city was ever there." - lol, there has never been a thorough archeological survey, and the surveys that have been done have turned up evidence that points to noteworthy human activity. What about the tens of thousands of axe heads found all concentrated in one spot?

Assuming that the city was destroyed in a significant flood, we need to assume the evidence will be hard to find, and therefore we have to look hard for it before we can say it's not there.

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by ferguess_k »

begueradj wrote: post #12

That does not make the existence of Atlantis a mere fiction. With the end of the Ice Age and its consequences, plenty of civilizations may have disappeared in deep waters. The Sumerians themselves claimed they received their knowledge from a man who visited them by the sea (fish-man like creature) on the aftermath of the great flood which may have buried plenty of Atlantis-like civilizations which could be the missin…

And in Asia there was the so-called "Three-sea plains".

三海平原

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by Beijinger »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #9
Beijinger wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, does it make sense to slay a dragon and take a bath in his blood? It is a metaphor but it has a real basis.

I'm not sure if I follow. Are you implying that dragons are real?

It depends. In most Nibelungen texts, he doesn’t encounter a dragon, but rather a long lindworm with shiny armor.

In these accounts, someone slays the lindworm, but not through direct combat. Instead, he uses an invisibility cloak, takes the creature's treasure, and bathes in its blood. Later, he meets his end due to treachery. Clearly, this is a work of fantasy.

But what about the Roman historian's lament regarding the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest? Over 150 years later, and they’re still singing his tale... the song of Hermann the German. Unfortunately, that song hasn't survived. However, the Nibelungen texts remain, where Siegfried (Hermann) defeats a long worm with shiny armor (symbolizing the Roman legions), not through open battle but by ambush (the cloak of invisibility), seizing their treasure (the dragon’s hoard), and ritually killing their leaders (bathing in blood). And, just like Siegfried, he is ultimately undone by treachery.

The parallels are so striking that it seems highly unlikely to be a mere coincidence, especially since Roman writers noted that "his song" endured for an exceptionally long time. The Nibelungen texts IS THIS SONG!

I say the Nibelungen Tale is based on facts. And the same may be the case with Atlantis.

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by alganet »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #9
Beijinger wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, does it make sense to slay a dragon and take a bath in his blood? It is a metaphor but it has a real basis.

I'm not sure if I follow. Are you implying that dragons are real?

There was a time ancient people broke their own legs, believing it would bring good luck.

It is true and written all across ancient records of that time.

Scholars don't fully understand why they would do such a thing. Many theories have been presented over the years. A ritual of passage, a demonstration of loyalty as bargain in exchange for a favor from a divinity, or simply a group ritual believed to reinforce the will of those within a social group.

Truth is, we will never know. Despite our best efforts, several parts of the original text describing the ritual were lost, only copies of copies remain.

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by seanw444 »

begueradj wrote: post #12

That does not make the existence of Atlantis a mere fiction. With the end of the Ice Age and its consequences, plenty of civilizations may have disappeared in deep waters. The Sumerians themselves claimed they received their knowledge from a man who visited them by the sea (fish-man like creature) on the aftermath of the great flood which may have buried plenty of Atlantis-like civilizations which could be the missin…

The ice age and its consequences have been a disaster for ancient civilizational races.

Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)

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Post by Beijinger »

nartho wrote: post #14
Beijinger wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, does it make sense to slay a dragon and take a bath in his blood? It is a metaphor but it has a real basis.

Achilles was bathed by his mom in the river Styx, not in the blood of a dragon. I still don't follow your point though.

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