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Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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joshstrange wrote: post #14
PeterStuer wrote: post #13

I currently run 2 Synology NAS's in my setup. I am very satisfied with their performance, but nevertheless I will be phasing them out because their offerings are not evolving in line with customer satisfaction but with profit maximization through segmentation and vertical lock-in.

Do you have a plan on what you’re going to move to? I’ve used (and still use) UnRaid before but switched to Synology for my data a while back due to both the plug-and-play nature of their systems (it’s been rock solid for me) and easily accessible hard drive trays. I’ve built 3 UnRaid servers and while I like the software, hardware was always an issue for me. I’d love a 12-bay-style Synology hardware device that I co…

Not OP but TrueNAS is a good alternative - both the software and their all in one NAS builds.

I have an unraid on a usb stick somewhere in my rack, but overtime it started feeling limited, and when they began changing their license structure I decided it was time to switch, though I run it on a Dell r720xd instead of one of their builds (my only complaint is the fan noise - i think 730 and up are better in this regard)

Proxmox was also on my short list for hypervisors if you dont want TrueNAS.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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bob1029 wrote: post #4

Storing encrypted blobs in S3 is my new strategy for bulk media storage. You'll never beat the QoS and resilience of the cloud storage product with something at home. I have completely lost patience with maintaining local hardware like this. If no one has a clue what is inside your blobs, they might as well not exist from their perspective. This feels like smuggling cargo on a federation starship, which is way cooler…

How much does S3 cost these days? I've been burned by their hidden surge pricing before and hesitate to rely on them for personal storage when self hosting is fairly cheap.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by xyzzy123 »

fodkodrasz wrote: post #20
xyzzy123 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S3 or glacier? Glacier is cost competitive with local disk but not very practical for the sorts of things people usually need lots of local disk for (media & disk images). Interested in how you use this! 20TB which u can keep in a 2-bay cute little nas will cost you $4k USD / year on S3 infrequent access tier in APAC (where I am). So "payback time" of local hardware is just 6 months vs S3 IA. That's before you pay fo…

Did you factor in the resilience and redundancy S3 gives you and you cannot opt out from? I have my NAS, and it is cheaper than S3 if I ignore these, but having to run 2 offsite backups would make it much less compelling.

Agree, they are not the same thing. Yes, S3 provides much better durability. I just can't afford it.

For my use-case I'm OK with un-hedged risk and dollars staying in my pocket.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by benoau »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #38
dogleash wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About a year ago ago I bit the bullet and frankestiend together a TrueNAS scale box. I hated the idea of the DIY route and stuck with frustrating SOHO nas devices for way too long. An all in one NAS product that has an app store or supports containers is nice in theory but in my experience always ended up with a NUC running proxmox sitting next to the NAS. Managing it is fine. It expects you to understand ZFS more th…

Plex runs very happily on my Synology box. So I'd want something that was a reasonably drop-in replacement, and not something that required more work.

For "just Plex" - more specifically anything except Synology's own suite of apps - any Mac, Windows or Linux computer or headless docker server will provide the same experience with a ton of better options, like installing to a NVMe without shenanigans for a start!

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by AndrewDucker »

benoau wrote: post #54
AndrewDucker wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plex runs very happily on my Synology box. So I'd want something that was a reasonably drop-in replacement, and not something that required more work.

For "just Plex" - more specifically anything except Synology's own suite of apps - any Mac, Windows or Linux computer or headless docker server will provide the same experience with a ton of better options, like installing to a NVMe without shenanigans for a start!

That all sounds like something that will require maintenance. Being able to slide a dead drive out, slide a new one in, and have any extra space be added automatically is fantastic. Not having to worry about updates, etc. These are things I'm willing to pay for.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by benoau »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #55
benoau wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For "just Plex" - more specifically anything except Synology's own suite of apps - any Mac, Windows or Linux computer or headless docker server will provide the same experience with a ton of better options, like installing to a NVMe without shenanigans for a start!

That all sounds like something that will require maintenance. Being able to slide a dead drive out, slide a new one in, and have any extra space be added automatically is fantastic. Not having to worry about updates, etc. These are things I'm willing to pay for.

If Synology is not interested in your use-case it doesn't really matter if you'd pay them to support it. But also they suck at most of what you're claiming anyway IMHO. Even their docker version is six years out of date.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by ornornor »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #53
fodkodrasz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you factor in the resilience and redundancy S3 gives you and you cannot opt out from? I have my NAS, and it is cheaper than S3 if I ignore these, but having to run 2 offsite backups would make it much less compelling.

Agree, they are not the same thing. Yes, S3 provides much better durability. I just can't afford it. For my use-case I'm OK with un-hedged risk and dollars staying in my pocket.

I backup my nas to rsync.net, it’s very cost effective using borg backup.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by PeterStuer »

joshstrange wrote: post #14
PeterStuer wrote: post #13

I currently run 2 Synology NAS's in my setup. I am very satisfied with their performance, but nevertheless I will be phasing them out because their offerings are not evolving in line with customer satisfaction but with profit maximization through segmentation and vertical lock-in.

Do you have a plan on what you’re going to move to? I’ve used (and still use) UnRaid before but switched to Synology for my data a while back due to both the plug-and-play nature of their systems (it’s been rock solid for me) and easily accessible hard drive trays. I’ve built 3 UnRaid servers and while I like the software, hardware was always an issue for me. I’d love a 12-bay-style Synology hardware device that I co…

No plans yet. My current NAS setup should be fine for another 2 years.

If it were now, I'd probably look deeper into Asus, QNap or a DIY TrueNAS.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by QuiEgo »

codecraze wrote: post #36

I have a 8 bay nas from synology and i’m now considering a move out when i’ll have to replace my nas. Is there something with 6-8 drives slots on which i could install whatever OS i want ? Ideally with a small form factor. I don’t want to have a giant desktop again for my nas purposes.

Terramaster F6-424. Most of the non-Synology NASes let you install whatever OS you want (but, don't provide any support other than "here's how you install it"). Unraid, TrueNAS Scale, and Open Media Vault are popular OS choices.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by mig39 »

kotaKat wrote: post #16

I'm going to buck the nerds and say I wish Drobo was back. I love my 5N, but had to retire it as it began to develop Type B Sudden Drobo Death Syndrome* and switch out to QNAP. It was simple, it just worked, and I didn't have to think about it. * TB SDDS - a multi-type phenomenon of Drobo units suddenly failing. There were three 'types' of SDDS I and a colleague discovered - "Type A" power management IC failures, "Ty…

I still have two Drobo 5N2 NAS boxes going strong. One is the backup for the other. I really wish someone would take up the Drobo-like simplicity and run with it.
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