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Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

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Post by Dove »

btilly wrote: post #143
jules wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you find time for HN?

1. I can do HN with the kids in the house and use my ears to supervise. I can't do that with exercise. (My son is right now sitting next to me, counting and recounting his allowance.) 2. I can comfortably do HN while it is too hot outside to exercise.

Calisthenics can work well while watching kids. With no setup or teardown time, they work nicely for opportunistic, "hmm, looks like he's going to be occupied for a few minutes" holes in the day.

We also went running with a jogging stroller when the weather was nice. Our son usually loved the ride, and was asleep by the time we got home (bonus!). That might not work on its own with kids, but one of the places we went running was a local school with a track and a playground. I know the kids in this house consider a 30 minute visit to a playground far too short, and that's more jogging than I can handle.

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

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Post by btilly »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #177
btilly wrote: post #144

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They are all getting ready for school in the morning themselves. And besides, have you ever tried convincing teenagers to get up earlier in the morning? (The ones that I know around here would prefer to sleep in.)

My now teenager wakes up for school herself at ~6am starting from ~age 8. Though I know that other kids might be different. But you need to find only one babysitter. How many teenagers in your neighborhood did you ask? Besides, there are not only teenagers, but housewives who wake up in the morning anyway. Or how about this: you exercise while your wife and your daughter are sleeping (or your wife is getting ready to…

I've talked to every teenager that lives within a block of me. Which is about 7. Only 2 are potential babysitters, and neither is available at times that interfere with school, including the morning. The housewives that I know have their own children to take care of and would not be interested in visiting my house that early.

My wife's schedule is highly variable from day to day and week to week, but is generally pretty crazy. She's frequently up and out of the house before 5 AM. Or works overnight. Or sometimes is lucky stays at home until 8:30 AM. Scheduling my life around hers is a complete non-starter.

My daughter is unfortunately easily awakened in the morning. Her grumpiness when she lacks sleep lasts all day. She resists afternoon naps even when she doesn't have activities swimming lessons to be awake for. Interrupting her sleep so I can take her running at 6 AM is therefore very much not in her best interest.

As for regularly leaving the house empty with sleeping kids while I go for a run..how about I let you have that argument with my wife? I'm quite aware of what will happen, and don't disagree with her.

My 7 year old son with ADHD is NOT an adequate caregiver. (I can just see it, now you're about to give a lecture about how ADHD isn't real. Please resist the temptation until you read up on the last 15 years of research...)

Are you done being a complete ass to a random internet stranger yet?

(Incidentally, you've now topped my list of people I dislike here.)

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

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Post by btilly »

Dove wrote: post #181
btilly wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. I can do HN with the kids in the house and use my ears to supervise. I can't do that with exercise. (My son is right now sitting next to me, counting and recounting his allowance.) 2. I can comfortably do HN while it is too hot outside to exercise.

Calisthenics can work well while watching kids. With no setup or teardown time, they work nicely for opportunistic, "hmm, looks like he's going to be occupied for a few minutes" holes in the day. We also went running with a jogging stroller when the weather was nice. Our son usually loved the ride, and was asleep by the time we got home (bonus!). That might not work on its own with kid s , but one of the places we we…

I have done plenty of calisthenics. What I've found for myself is that while I am engaged in a workout routine, I'm really NOT available for child care, nor is it a good idea if unsupervised small children are near. Curious small children walking up trying to figure out what you're doing when you're about to, say, go into jumping jacks can be bad...

Families are different. I'm glad that calisthenics work for you in that situation. They have not for me.

For the record, my current lack of a regular exercise routine is temporary.

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

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Post by ryanmerket »

_delirium wrote: post #169
ryanmerket wrote: post #165

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You were probably eating Planters or some other 'big brand.' Most peanut snack foods come loaded with sugar, carbs, and bad oil. http://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/food/peanuts/car...

No sugar/etc., just salted peanuts. Ingredients: peanuts, salt. It's hard to counteract eating thousands of calories of peanuts daily, though (for a while I was going through 2x bags, i.e. 3000 calories/day just from peanuts).

Most low/no carb diets say to stay away from nuts in general because they are generally starchy and have hidden carbs.

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

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Post by rmm »

xiaoma wrote: post #154
rmm wrote: post #115

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Regarding Marathons; As recently as this year the Mayo Clinic has looked at Potential Adverse Cardiovascular Effects From Excessive Endurance Exercise[1]. I also recall a study a couple years back that showed inflammatory damage to marathoners hearts for up to 3 months after running the event. Regarding all the studies you have quoted, all of them are epidemiological in nature, and do not prove causal relationships.…

I really fail to see how you can put this forward for your first piece of "scientific literature on the actual physiological processes involved" just after complaining that all the studies I've quoted are epidemiological in nature, and do not prove causal relationships. This first study you trumpet demonstrates no causal relationship, is taken from a smaller sample, has muddier data and repeatedly supports the findin…

I didn't place it just after I complained about your lack of non-epidemiological studies, it was before that. I didn't say it proved any causal relationship, but rather that its being looked into, and yes its a hypothetical, and i don't see how it has muddier data, when rather than being based around some questionnaire actual tests were performed on the subjects.

With regards to the studies; I said that long running sessions have a negative affect on weight loss and [2] says that long high intensity sessions increase cortisol secretion, [3] says high cortisol leads to increased fat storage. I said high intensity show burts of exercise increase fat loss, that includes [4] [5] showing increased metabolic expenditure post exercise and [6] directly showing short high intensity interval training being better for weight loss that steady state exercises. Also I dont see how the fact that [7] shows a long swimming race being an issue, and if you actually read [8] the resistance exercise took place over 90 minutes sessions, well past the anaerobic area of short high intensity training.

Look I am all for running, I try to get out and do 10-15km per week, but blanket statements that say you should run 1hr every day and all is well, are not backed by science.

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

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Post by b3b0p »

After reading almost every single comment in this story, I have come to 1 conclusion:

Geeks on Hacker News should not be giving out diet, nutrition, and fitness advice.

(No one should be taking the advice anyway.)

Diet, exercise, and nutrition stories on Hacker News always seem to be messy. They do end up being entertaining seeing all the back and forth controversy though some times.

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

#187

Post by dennisgorelik »

btilly wrote: post #182
dennisgorelik wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My now teenager wakes up for school herself at ~6am starting from ~age 8. Though I know that other kids might be different. But you need to find only one babysitter. How many teenagers in your neighborhood did you ask? Besides, there are not only teenagers, but housewives who wake up in the morning anyway. Or how about this: you exercise while your wife and your daughter are sleeping (or your wife is getting ready to…

I've talked to every teenager that lives within a block of me. Which is about 7. Only 2 are potential babysitters, and neither is available at times that interfere with school, including the morning. The housewives that I know have their own children to take care of and would not be interested in visiting my house that early. My wife's schedule is highly variable from day to day and week to week, but is generally pre…

It seems to me that you are looking for an excuse for not exercising as opposing to looking for a solution.

Could you please share what exactly you don't like about me?

I just shared my perspective on how you and other people could fix their lack of exercise problem. That somehow triggered your negative attitude toward me. Why?

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

#188

Post by btilly »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #187
btilly wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've talked to every teenager that lives within a block of me. Which is about 7. Only 2 are potential babysitters, and neither is available at times that interfere with school, including the morning. The housewives that I know have their own children to take care of and would not be interested in visiting my house that early. My wife's schedule is highly variable from day to day and week to week, but is generally pre…

It seems to me that you are looking for an excuse for not exercising as opposing to looking for a solution. Could you please share what exactly you don't like about me? I just shared my perspective on how you and other people could fix their lack of exercise problem. That somehow triggered your negative attitude toward me. Why?

Could you please share what exactly you don't like about me?

My theory would be that what I don't like is that I don't like you being a moralizing ass who is quick to judge, lacks empathy, and always missing the mark.

Start with your first entry in this thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4372686

Continue with everything else you've said. Up to and including your last post where you assume that I'm just looking for an excuse not to exercise rather than the truth that I'm a person with a rather overwhelming life at the moment.

If I was the type of person who just wanted excuses to not exercise, I could not have maintained successful exercises for years in the past. I would not be confident that I will re-establish one in the future. Yet you do not see this as being a possible situation, so you categorize me as just, "...looking for an excuse." And therefore confirm your world view that people like me are an impossibility.

If I hated you a little more I would hope that you could experience as many personal challenges in your life as I do in mine at the moment. But I don't hate you enough for that. Yet.

Respond if you want to. I'm done dealing with you and won't reply back. At the moment my kids are being taken care of by a babysitter, and I have contracting work that I need to get back to. Because, you see, doctors in residency make under minimum wage, so I have significant financial responsibilities on top of my parenting ones...

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

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Post by jacques_chester »

kanzure wrote: post #161
jacques_chester wrote: post #86

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Have you actually looked at fittit? A lot of the most vocal and active contributors and moderators are credentialled to hell and back. Silverhydra, for example, is considered a minor deity thereabouts. He's a registered dietitian, an amateur bodybuilder and is the co-founder of examine.com, for which he reads literally dozens of studies per month .

> He's a registered dietitian, an amateur bodybuilder and is the co-founder of examine.com, for which he reads literally dozens of studies per month. I am not amused by this. So he reads a dozen papers per month? That's not good... that's just terrible. Is there anyone that reads a more healthy amount?

And you read more? Less? Your qualifications to opine are?

Re: Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors

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Post by jacques_chester »

dhughes wrote: post #155
jacques_chester wrote: post #88

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This is a lazy, spiteful stereotype.

No, it isn't. Read the posts for a while and you'll see a pattern of certain groups who have an absolute view of what they perceive is right and aren't shy to say it. Maybe the mods are better now but I gave up reading anything there after a few months. Another bad one is r/coffee lots of bickering there too, it must be the caffeine or lack of it.

People with strongly-held opinions share those opinions with others? Shocking.

I was referring to your "roid rage" slur, by the way.

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