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FWIW (which is not much), I was an astrophysicist whose research was Dark Energy, though I arrogate to myself no authority on this topic as frankly a lot of knowledge I used to possess on the topic has been replaced by knowledge of tedious programming APIs (meh...it's a living). My sense was that, perhaps owning to their colorful (colorless?) names, and because they diffused into popular culture more than other equal…
There is an alternate timeline where dark matter receives an extremely boring name like "inferred low luminosity particulate" and 100,000 very repetitive internet conversations never happen.
Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
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Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just FYI I have a PhD in cosmology, so no need to explain to me what "Dark Matter" does or doesn't mean, but thanks anyway. It sounds like you saw that video by Angela Collier about how Dark Matter is a set of observations, and while I think it's a good video, it's a bit disingenuous to pretend that working scientists put theories of dark matter and theories of modified gravity in the same category. I know Collier li…
Hey I'm sure a bunch of Youtube videos from Collier and Sabine makes you an expert in the field of physics because they make you feel smart.
Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
#73Help me understand how can something so hard to detect exist in such vast quantity to change the rotation of galaxies.
Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
#74Help me understand how can something so hard to detect exist in such vast quantity to change the rotation of galaxies.
Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
#75There seems to me to be a real cottage industry in proposing alternatives to Dark Matter and Dark Energy. I wonder why that might be. Why isn't there as much interest in alternatives to, say, Plate Tectonics or the Germ Theory?
There are- things like flat or hollow earth, antivax and HIV deniers, homeopaths etc. Proponents of all of the above are looking for a grand unifying cosmology. Dark matter and dark energy are confusing and unknown, so people want to just simplify them away. Flat earthers want to simplify away the existence of other planets. Antivaxers want to simplify away medicine. Because it's complicated astrophysics and largely…
Ironically, you are positing a grand unifying theory here by stating that detractors from mainstream opinions just want simpler answers. But isn't it simpler to just go with the mainstream opinion and go with the flow? Alternative models of the earth are typically rooted in Biblical or ancient belief systems. Any specific argument based on physics come long after a person's acceptance of, e.g., the Bible. And I can't even imagine how you might think anti-vax beliefs are simpler so I can't speak to that. Homeopathy sounds pretty dumb to me, sure, but also there are tons of reasons to distrust the medical system in the USA, I'd be surprised if anyone seriously argued against that. I can understand why people suspicious of America's medical culture of prescribing 10 medications to someone instead of lifestyle changes might see a bottle of sugar pills at the store labeled with "natural remedy" and think it could be a better alternative.
> Every new observation has completely overturned the predictions of every MOND or modified gravity theory, and they just come back with a totally different explanation to fit the new data.
That's how science works. Scientists are not prophets, they do not have the luxury of starting with all the answers. It's really disheartening to see you make these theories into an "us vs them" ego contest.
I'm guess I'm just a dyed-in-the-wool agnostic, but when I hear someone suggest an alternative theory I don't immediately feel the need to group them with everything I think is wrong with the world. Instead I think, "That's really cool they came up with a different model of the universe. I wonder how they account for everything we observe and how it will be refined over time and whether it will predict new discoveries." Even if your current theory never gets overturned, I think your attitude is a perfect example of why science is said to advance one funeral at a time. Just because they got it wrong in the past doesn't mean they can never get it right, and it doesn't mean there's a 100% certainty that you got it right.
Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are- things like flat or hollow earth, antivax and HIV deniers, homeopaths etc. Proponents of all of the above are looking for a grand unifying cosmology. Dark matter and dark energy are confusing and unknown, so people want to just simplify them away. Flat earthers want to simplify away the existence of other planets. Antivaxers want to simplify away medicine. Because it's complicated astrophysics and largely…
> Proponents of all of the above are looking for a grand unifying cosmology. Dark matter and dark energy are confusing and unknown, so people want to just simplify them away. Flat earthers want to simplify away the existence of other planets. Antivaxers want to simplify away medicine. Ironically, you are positing a grand unifying theory here by stating that detractors from mainstream opinions just want simpler answer…
"I think your attitude is a perfect example of why science is said to advance one funeral at a time"
Hey now, don't you think that's a little uncalled-for? It's difficult to determine the attitude of a stranger over the internet via text.
"just because they got it wrong in the past doesn't mean they can never get it right, and it doesn't mean there's a 100% certainty that you got it right."
Nobody said either of these things, but people are entitled to extend to or withhold trust from purported experts based on the successful or not-so-successful application of their claimed expertise. If the MOND people and the MOG people keep getting things wrong, they're still free to persevere just as we're free to ignore them.
Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
#77Help me understand how can something so hard to detect exist in such vast quantity to change the rotation of galaxies.
At astronomical scales, however, things are different. At those scales, gravity wins out, and is one of the dominant things we observe in astronomy. Dark Matter may not feel the electromagnetic and nuclear forces the way normal matter does, but it feels gravity the same as every other particle does. Nobody gets a pass from gravity, not even Dark Matter.
Consequently, it's relatively easy to observe the gravitational effects of Dark Matter at the astronomical scales of the rotation of galaxies and the dynamics of galaxy clusters, even while it's difficult or impossible to observe the non-gravitational effects of Dark Matter at laboratory scales.
Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
#78If you ask me, Inflation is far more problematic than the Dark Stuff. Nevertheless, so far it remains the best explanation we have for observed phenomena ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Definitely more problematic. And Webb only made it more confusing :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant_problem > Depending on the Planck energy cutoff and other factors, the quantum vacuum energy contribution to the effective cosmological constant is calculated to be between 50 and as many as 120 orders of magnitude greater than has actually been observed, a state of affairs described by physicists…
Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
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It doesn't, and the problems have only become more problematic over time, but it's the least bad hypothesis that's broadly accepted. I suspect a generational succession is required for new paradigms to be contemplated. There are many researchers proposing simpler, novel, and testable solutions that seem to go unnoticed. For example, I'm a fan of Alexandre Deur's work. He has some simple and elegant solutions that I'v…
That paper focuses on rotation curves, like all DM skeptics. I can only assume because this problem is understandable with high school level math. But that's neither the only nor the best evidence for DM. If your new hypothesis doesn't even mention the CMB power spectrum, it's not really worth listening, sorry. And to be taken seriously, it has to explain at least most of the data. DM does that, everything else does…
MOND successfully predicted the first peak of the power spectrum. I wonder why everyone focuses so much on LCDM predicting the second peak.
> DM does that, everything else does not.
Whenever someone says DM "does that", it's often after its initial prediction was falsified and the calculation was modified in some way to account for the new observations [1,2]. This has been going on for decades, so that's hardly a ringing endorsement.
I'm not surprised mind you, this is the hallmark of the confirmation bias that's been characteristic of LCDM for decades now.
[1] From Galactic Bars to the Hubble Tension: Weighing Up the Astrophysical Evidence for Milgromian Gravity, https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/14/7/1331
[2] Not that MOND is a suitable replacement because it too has its problems. My only point is that this tendency to sweep these inconveniences under the rug as if DM is a compelling and successful theory and saying "nothing else does the job" is disingenuous at best. What you should say is that "nothing does, period, not even our best DM theory", because that's the truth.
Re: Researcher proposes model replacing dark energy/matter to explain universe
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I’ve never really understood how just adding extra invisible stuff to make the equations work is justified either? It seems more likely there is simply something wrong with the equations.
Well, the point is actually pretty simple. You start with an equation that works for some galaxies. Then you find a galaxy where it doesn't work - you adjust the equation and now it works again. But then you find a new galaxy where it still doesn't work, you adjust again. You try this for 5, 10, 20 galaxies, just adjust the equation - but at some point there is a limit where the equation doesn't bare any more adjustm…
It doesn't though. For instance, the latest in a litany of such failures is that rotation curves are flat past a million light years [1]. There is no plausible DM distribution that could reproduce such rotation curves while being consistent with other observations.