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The Web Is Broken – Botnet Part 2

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Re: The Web Is Broken – Botnet Part 2

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Has anyone tried to compile a list of software that uses these libraries? It would be great to know what apps to avoid

No but here's the thing. Being in the industry for many years I know they are required to mention it in the TOS when using the SDKs. A crawler pulling app TOSs and parsing them could be a thing. List or not, it won't be too useful outside this tech community.

Re: The Web Is Broken – Botnet Part 2

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> I am now of the opinion that every form of web-scraping should be considered abusive behaviour and web servers should block all of them. If you think your web-scraping is acceptable behaviour, you can thank these shady companies and the “AI” hype for moving you to the bad corner.

I imagine that e.g. Youtube would be happy to agree with this. Not that it would turn them against AI generally.

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> So if you as an app developer include such a 3rd party SDK in your app to make some money — you are part of the problem and I think you should be held responsible for delivering malware to your users, making them botnet members. I suspect that this goes for many different SDKs. Personally, I am really, really sick of hearing "That's a solved problem!", whenever I mention that I tend to "roll my own," as opposed to…

That may be true but I think you're missing the point here.

The "network sharing" behavior in these SDKs is the sole purpose of the SDK. It isn't being included as a surprise along with some other desirable behavior. What needs to stop is developers including these SDKs as a secondary revenue source in free or ad-supported apps.

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I have some success in catching most of them at https://visitorquery.com

I went to your website. Is the premise that users should not be allowed to use vpns in order to participate in ecommerce?

Nobody said that, it's your choice to take whatever action fits your scenario. I have clients where VPNs are blocked yes, it depends on the industry, fraud rate, chargeback rates etc.

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> So if you as an app developer include such a 3rd party SDK in your app to make some money — you are part of the problem and I think you should be held responsible for delivering malware to your users, making them botnet members. I suspect that this goes for many different SDKs. Personally, I am really, really sick of hearing "That's a solved problem!", whenever I mention that I tend to "roll my own," as opposed to…

Malware, botnets… it is very similar. And people including developers are - in 80 per cent - eagier to make money, because… Is greed good? No, it isn’t. It is a plague.
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