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Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For when it's sitting in an evidence baggy in the police station connected to a charger waiting for forensics

If that is a good thing what does that imply about my activities (or what an utter failure your justice system is)?

No implication, it's a standard feature.

Whos justice system? Lots of countries represented on HN. Many with questionable systems.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For when it's sitting in an evidence baggy in the police station connected to a charger waiting for forensics

If that is a good thing what does that imply about my activities (or what an utter failure your justice system is)?

>or what an utter failure your justice system is

Even if you somehow live in a jurisdiction with a perfect justice system, that doesn't mean everyone else is.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

#43
post #37

It's good to have an option like that, even being a default, but there definitively need a switch to disable that if it is your own will. It's not even necessarily that good enough against cops, because in a lot of shitty countries, even some pretending to be democratics, not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished. If I'm not wrong, there was a guy that had to stay years in…

This is super annoying on newer iOS for device that I use purely for development. Before it was possible just keep iPhone unlocked indefenitely, but now it reboots and boom I have to use TouchID again. This is again Apple being Apple making things harder without option to disable it even when development mode is on. Has anyone found a way to bypass it?

> I have to use TouchID again.

Don’t set it up with a passcode in the first place?

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

#44
post #39

It's good to have an option like that, even being a default, but there definitively need a switch to disable that if it is your own will. It's not even necessarily that good enough against cops, because in a lot of shitty countries, even some pretending to be democratics, not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished. If I'm not wrong, there was a guy that had to stay years in…

For this use case there needs to be a reasonably quick way to erase/permanently lock a phone. Or maybe it needs to be something that is both 1. Less severe than that 2. Secure against personal inducements 3. More automatic. So maybe something like a paired app with a friend/someone who is beyond the reach of the authorities, and if the phone isn't unlocked in a given definable period (or it can be triggered immediate…

GrapheneOS offers hardening before first unlock, and an optional distress code that wipes the storage rather than unlocking.

Currently only available for Pixel phones, 6 and later. Offers many other security-related features.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

#45
post #39

It's good to have an option like that, even being a default, but there definitively need a switch to disable that if it is your own will. It's not even necessarily that good enough against cops, because in a lot of shitty countries, even some pretending to be democratics, not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished. If I'm not wrong, there was a guy that had to stay years in…

For this use case there needs to be a reasonably quick way to erase/permanently lock a phone. Or maybe it needs to be something that is both 1. Less severe than that 2. Secure against personal inducements 3. More automatic. So maybe something like a paired app with a friend/someone who is beyond the reach of the authorities, and if the phone isn't unlocked in a given definable period (or it can be triggered immediate…

You might get even more charges for doing that, though. Destroying evidence, obstruction or some made up charge.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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post #31
post #2

This is a Google Play Services update. For GrapheneOS users without GApps wondering: A similar feature is already built-in: https://grapheneos.org/features#auto-reboot

Huh, I have GrapheneOS and I never noticed it rebooting. (And when i manually reboot, the "BIOS" prevents it from booting without acknowledging that I'm aware it's a non-Google OS, so how does it work?)

You don't have to acknowledge anything. The boot screen shows a warning which you can interrupt. If you don't do anything it'll continue to load as normal.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

#47

I just want software that will do nothing user-observable without me explicitly asking it to. No pop-ups, no suggestions, no automatic anything. I don't know if it'll take a fancy buzzword or what. Unobtrusive software? Silent Software?

Inert software. Inertware?

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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post #31
post #2

This is a Google Play Services update. For GrapheneOS users without GApps wondering: A similar feature is already built-in: https://grapheneos.org/features#auto-reboot

Huh, I have GrapheneOS and I never noticed it rebooting. (And when i manually reboot, the "BIOS" prevents it from booting without acknowledging that I'm aware it's a non-Google OS, so how does it work?)

The feature is not enabled by default. Also, the boot doesn't wait for you indefinitely - it just gives you a few seconds to glance the checksum and halt it, before it proceeds automatically.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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post #43
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is super annoying on newer iOS for device that I use purely for development. Before it was possible just keep iPhone unlocked indefenitely, but now it reboots and boom I have to use TouchID again. This is again Apple being Apple making things harder without option to disable it even when development mode is on. Has anyone found a way to bypass it?

> I have to use TouchID again. Don’t set it up with a passcode in the first place?

Unfortunately I use Advanced Data Protection on my Apple account so I kind a need that passcode. And moving to having completely different Apple account for development is PITA.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

#50

It's good to have an option like that, even being a default, but there definitively need a switch to disable that if it is your own will. It's not even necessarily that good enough against cops, because in a lot of shitty countries, even some pretending to be democratics, not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished. If I'm not wrong, there was a guy that had to stay years in…

Interestingly, it could also be seen the other way around; it's a potential way for Google to force deployments of system updates (potentially at the request of law enforcement). With an automatic reboot, then the update can automatically be applied without user action.
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