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IBM orders US sales to locate near customers, RTO for cloud staff, DEI purge

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Re: IBM orders US sales to locate near customers, RTO for cloud staff, DEI purge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would just say you’re reassigned to the Alaska office. You’re expected to work there 3 days a week starting October or something. See, they didn’t fire them! They just resigned under their own accord. /s

No, that would be constructive dismissal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_dismissal

Trump and Musk are doing this to the people who enforce labor laws, so we can expect no more labor law enforcement this term

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The general reasoning given by a lot of these companies is that WFH did not work. Same companies were telling is how well it worked and they had the numbers to back it up. I think they are looking for scapegoats for some cost cutting. Officially force people back and hopefully some will quit. In practice, many will continue to operate as before.

They're bending the knee. The CEO class loves their own freedom to move about at will but hates the idea that workers have the right to just NOT be in the office. Trump, Musk, and Ramiswamy were all ultra-gung ho about ensuring that as many people with federal jobs were as miserable as possible.

> The CEO class loves their own freedom to move about at will but hates the idea that workers have the right to just NOT be in the office.

I don’t know that that is a reasonable take. More appropriate would be to acknowledge that different roles have different needs, depending on who you collaborate with, etc.

Re: IBM orders US sales to locate near customers, RTO for cloud staff, DEI purge

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You know, even if you hired a protected class because of DEI fashion, that doesn't mean you can fire them just because the fashion has changed. The laws protecting them are still there, and I would think announcing "we're getting rid of DEI hires" would be giving a labor lawyer a discrimination case on a plate.

It most likely means the team in charge of implementing DEI policies was canned. Some places have tens of people whose job it is to solely work on DEI policies.

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IBM of course has a long and uh, colorful history when it comes to complying with government programs violently opposed to diversity. Must’ve invoked a lot of nostalgia for them seeing Musk’s inauguration speech.

let's be more direct and truthful - ibm directly aided the third reich in their despicable actions. full stop.

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Within the last half decade it appears like IBM overtly markets to whatever administration and party is in power, a few years ago they were marketing creepy vaccine passports [1]. [1] https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/vaccine-passport

Has IBM ever let moral or ethical standards get in the way of profit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

"…Black outlined the key role of IBM's technology in the Holocaust genocide committed by the German Nazi regime, by facilitating the regime's generation and tabulation of punch cards for national census data, military logistics, ghetto statistics, train traffic management, and concentration camp capacity."

Re: IBM orders US sales to locate near customers, RTO for cloud staff, DEI purge

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The general reasoning given by a lot of these companies is that WFH did not work. Same companies were telling is how well it worked and they had the numbers to back it up. I think they are looking for scapegoats for some cost cutting. Officially force people back and hopefully some will quit. In practice, many will continue to operate as before.

Non conspiracy explanation:

It seemed to work at first, but over time it became clear it didn't.

Re: IBM orders US sales to locate near customers, RTO for cloud staff, DEI purge

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> On Tuesday, Big Blue shared new rules on where it expects its US sales staff to work: At least three days a week at a client, a flagship office, or a sales hub.

> And the mainframe giant last week told all US Cloud employees, sales or otherwise, to return to the office at least three days per week at designated "strategic" locations.

Yep. It's a de facto layoff.

Smart of them to add the DEI statement - as we can see here, everyone is arguing over that while ignoring what is essentially a mass layoff.

Re: IBM orders US sales to locate near customers, RTO for cloud staff, DEI purge

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The general reasoning given by a lot of these companies is that WFH did not work. Same companies were telling is how well it worked and they had the numbers to back it up. I think they are looking for scapegoats for some cost cutting. Officially force people back and hopefully some will quit. In practice, many will continue to operate as before.

I work for a company that made a big deal about how well it worked. The CEO and chief people officer both made a lot of public statements about it, during and just after covid. They did this claiming they had the numbers to back it up and said numbers but they basically made them up. It was PR and they were using it to aid recruiting into what was and is a company that young people avoided. What numbers they did have…

after covid is an illusion, there is no such thing as "after" for an ongoing pandemic....

and the company you work for seems rather incompetent

Re: IBM orders US sales to locate near customers, RTO for cloud staff, DEI purge

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I am curious if anyone can find the text for "IBM's Policy Letter #4" written by IBM's chairman in 1953, which is referenced in this article. I did some searching but all the links I found to the full text were broken. I ask because I think it shows what a Rorschach test the arguments over DEI have become. I at least found one quote from the Policy Letter #4 which stated "It is the policy of this organization to hire…

> I am curious if anyone can find the text for "IBM's Policy Letter #4" written by IBM's chairman in 1953, which is referenced in this article. https://web.archive.org/web/20110409171021/http://www-03.ibm... It has both the original typewritten scan and a searchable-text version right underneath.

That's a pretty solid letter given the 1953 date! Consider it predates MLK's and Rosa Park's most famous activism. Not bad.

Re: IBM orders US sales to locate near customers, RTO for cloud staff, DEI purge

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Within the last half decade it appears like IBM overtly markets to whatever administration and party is in power, a few years ago they were marketing creepy vaccine passports [1]. [1] https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/vaccine-passport

Behavior won't change until incentives that cause the behavior change.
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