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Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by specialp »

trw_speech wrote: post #102
specialp wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see this in other areas too like academia being afraid they will get the ire of the administration and lose money. For a lot of firms they don't want to suddenly get their government contracts dropped by speaking out. This is how things slowly become more authoritarian, and freedom of speech dies. This is also why the gradual expansion of executive power was not good. If the threat of financial loss stops people…

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Did I infer that I did not see a problem with that as well? This is the token whataboutism that plagues us. People with this mindset do not have any ideals like free speech or democracy, they just use transgressions that "the other side" did to justify the gradually worse things they do ad-infinitum. If you are for freedom of speech, you would see a problem with both, not just what was done in the past, and portray what is being done now as "payback" That is just pure tribalism.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by shadowgovt »

derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

Something interesting to watch about the current executive is he never talks about the future concretely.

Keep an eye on his rhetoric. He'll talk in broad strokes, bright-shining-future abstracts... But he never talks about anything specific. Never about how any specific policy will create a specific good outcome. No concrete ideation.

An idea that has been floated on this topic is that he's not actually capable of imagining such a future because he won't be in it (one way or the other; dude's 78).

It makes him dangerous. He can accidentally destroy something he can't even conceive of existing.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by hermitcrab »

spicyusername wrote: post #70
josefresco wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Approval ratings might fall, but they've installed a system of nearly unchecked power, and have shown a blatant disregard for law. It's probably too late for even the base to affect change without bloodshed.

I know things feel dire, and things are certainly very bad for sure, but they have been bad before and things turned around. The Gilded Age comes to mind. Hell, even Nazi Germany didn't last forever. Don't despair. Do what you can to make the world you want to see, accept the things outside your control, turn off social media, and stay positive!

>Hell, even Nazi Germany didn't last forever.

But they did cause the death of some 70+ million people. And they didn't have nukes.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by notahacker »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #91
jjtheblunt wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But what is more horrifying for me is that apparently this administration remains representative of a large section of the US population - with seemingly unshakeable approval by between 40% and 50% of the US adult population according to polls. It’s possible that percentage counts dissatisfaction with the previous administration more than approval for the current one. That is, it might just count people wanting any…

I think it's clear that the approval ratings Trump gets are more about disapproval of the rest of politics. When you have every politician getting rich somehow while your life gets worse and worse, a lot of people will want all politicians punished. Trump is that punishment, and many people are excited to see the political and professional classes suffer. That is the approval rating.

The irony being that Trump enriches himself and rewards politicians [mainstream or otherwise] for corruption to a greater extent than any previous politician, and doesn't even try to hide it. The people that are happy their savings and/or chances of making rent next week are being eroded to enrich Trump insiders because at least random mid level professionals and Hispanic people with autism awareness tattoos are suffering more deserve everything they get.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by shadowgovt »

spicyusername wrote: post #70
josefresco wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Approval ratings might fall, but they've installed a system of nearly unchecked power, and have shown a blatant disregard for law. It's probably too late for even the base to affect change without bloodshed.

I know things feel dire, and things are certainly very bad for sure, but they have been bad before and things turned around. The Gilded Age comes to mind. Hell, even Nazi Germany didn't last forever. Don't despair. Do what you can to make the world you want to see, accept the things outside your control, turn off social media, and stay positive!

The Gilded Age was followed by the Great Depression.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by jjtheblunt »

basejumping wrote: post #60
jjtheblunt wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But what is more horrifying for me is that apparently this administration remains representative of a large section of the US population - with seemingly unshakeable approval by between 40% and 50% of the US adult population according to polls. It’s possible that percentage counts dissatisfaction with the previous administration more than approval for the current one. That is, it might just count people wanting any…

You should then be dissatisfied with both at the same time. When people wish 'any change' they actually wish a change into better, otherwise it's plain stupid.

I agree: it’s strange and misleading statistics seemingly.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by josefresco »

hermitcrab wrote: post #113
spicyusername wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know things feel dire, and things are certainly very bad for sure, but they have been bad before and things turned around. The Gilded Age comes to mind. Hell, even Nazi Germany didn't last forever. Don't despair. Do what you can to make the world you want to see, accept the things outside your control, turn off social media, and stay positive!

>Hell, even Nazi Germany didn't last forever. But they did cause the death of some 70+ million people. And they didn't have nukes.

...or social media.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by shadowgovt »

intended wrote: post #106
bambax wrote: post #26

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> What else can be done? Civil war. It will probably have to come to this, some day or other.

Or you know - find everyone congressperson who is not doing their job, figure out if they are breaking state, federal law, or even party law. Get special elections going and get a working congress. This paralysis amongst Americans is very un American. You have a decent poltical set up. Use it. You don’t need a magic wand like a civil war. You need to do the boring dull work of reading, analyzing and then making execu…

> Get special elections going and get a working congress

That's not actually legal in many (most?) states. Recall is not a universal feature.

What you're advocating for is civil war. In many states, the only way to get Congresspeople to leave would be "voluntarily" (i.e. "We threaten to burn down every piece of property you have if you don't give up your seat"). Which, actually, has worked deep in America's past; the post-Revolutionary era had a lot more "We don't like the governor, so we're going to take his house apart and throw it into the river" stories.

You're not wrong exactly, but I think you've underestimated how fundamentally anti-democratic American democracy is. It was a 1.0-template and had baked pretty deeply into it fear of mob rule (hence the President not being chosen by direct vote, for example).

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by pjc50 »

intended wrote: post #88
ANarrativeApe wrote: post #71

"The Constitution explicitly forbids Congress from issuing bills of attainder—laws that single out individuals for punishment without trial. While that restriction technically applies to the Legislative branch, the spirit of it clearly applies here. A president cannot simply declare someone an enemy of the state for contradicting a political narrative. That’s not national security—it’s authoritarianism, dressed up in…

All executive orders, it can be shown - expected a functioning set of co-equal branches of government. Congress is broken - intentionally.

It's not broken, it's complicit. As I understand it Congress has a R majority, which is why all this is happening.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by layer8 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #112
derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

Something interesting to watch about the current executive is he never talks about the future concretely. Keep an eye on his rhetoric. He'll talk in broad strokes, bright-shining-future abstracts... But he never talks about anything specific. Never about how any specific policy will create a specific good outcome. No concrete ideation. An idea that has been floated on this topic is that he's not actually capable of i…

He'll likely live another 15 years or so. I'm pretty sure he's imagining a future for himself. He's talking about a third term, which means at least eight years of "future". He also has children whose continued success he probably cares about. That said, I agree that he doesn't seem interested in building anything but his personal kingdom (including walls to protect it).
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