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ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Much of the interior of Western Australia (an area 3x the size of Texas) can be divided into very few cells which essentially look near identical in all directions, coupled with few roads for the area and not much in the way of uploaded snaps coverage. There's a lot of flat lands with spinifex in certain areas (easily a couple of United Kingdoms in size) and even a touch of mesa won't help narrow a location down from…

Because seem like someone who might have an interesting answer: A GeoGuessr player, GeoWizard, has done a few “straight line challenges”, where he attempts to walk across a country in as straight a line as possible, usually planning beforehand with Google Earth and PostGIS. This got me thinking of what could fairly be thought of as “crossing”, since obviously you couldn’t describe e.g. walking from one side of Florid…

As an abstract geometric problem the greatest width of an abstract polygon in a Euclidean 2D plane is found be looking at the greatest distance between all pairs of parallel lines that have been pulled together to clamp the polygon. The maximal diameter as opposed to the minimal waist.

Some might then say that "crossing" that polygon is to travel that longest line across the greatest width.

This simplistically avoids the question of concave polygons, complex polgons with exclusions (the Vatican state is removed from the Italian contry bounds), polgon collections (the nation of Fiji has many islands and can be tricky to traverse on foot .. not forgetting that perhaps the longest diameter might be from one island to another with no other islands between).

There's also the challenge of parallel lines on a 2D 'spherical' manifold, the almost spherical abstract ellipsoid of earth (or very non ellipsoidal Geoid if we take a constant gravitation value as the surface). On such manifolds lines are Great Circles (more or less) and always intersect.

Still, lets just say you're looking for the longest walkable(?) great circle path across a country that might go outside that country and perhaps is best travelled by a crop duster at 80m ground clearance to avoid getting feet wet.

The challenge itself takes some posing.

Meanwhile, less abstractly, I do like a jolly that "crosses a country" in a manner accepted by a (Wo)Man on a Clapham omnibus.

eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robyn_Davidson only went "half way", but that was accepted as an epic crossing. https://thelongridersguild.com/stories/stef-gebbie.htm "only" crossed most of the E-W distance across the lower portion of the country, while https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-03/french-woman-conquers... travelled North - South, the long bit, but not quite coast to coast ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicentennial_National_Trail ).

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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The military/infosec uses of this are not real time. You can wait 5 minutes for a drone strike.

For military uses, if the us army doesn't have a much more precise, purpose built model, already trained on both private data and whatever they could get from google and others, I'd be extremely surprised. They will not be using chatgpt for serious things like that. (... or at least I'd be sure about that a few months ago - maybe a bit less now)

There is not a secret super duper powerful military version of cutting edge consumer technologies. AI is catching everyone with their pants down. You have access to the most powerful computer intelligence on earth, the same ones the NSA and CIA have access to. It's a bizarre world.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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I'm in Lima, Peru on vacation. Yes, it knows where I am.

Right, and what happens if you ask it the location of an image from somewhere else, sans metadata?

> The dish shown appears to be a variation of a creamy potato gratin (also known as "potatoes au gratin" or "gratin dauphinois"), accompanied by a meat preparation covered with a creamy sauce. The potato gratin typically consists of thinly sliced potatoes layered with cream, cheese, garlic, and baked until golden and tender.

> it is stuffed pepper

> Ah, thank you for clarifying! Given your detail, the dish is likely "Rocoto Relleno con Pastel de Papa" (Stuffed Pepper with Potato Gratin). It's a classic dish from the region of Arequipa, Peru, commonly served throughout Peru.

> This photo was taken in Cusco, Peru. It shows a characteristic view from a balcony overlooking the historical area of Cusco, visible through the distinctive colonial architecture, terracotta rooftops, and mountainous backdrop typical of the region. The architecture and landscape are unmistakable, capturing the essence of this iconic Peruvian city, likely near the historic center (Plaza de Armas or San Blas neighborhood).

Nailed it with San Blas. I'm impressed, nonetheless. [0]

[0] https://imgur.com/a/YMi87wK

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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I gave it a series of 11 images stripped of all metadata. It performed quite well, only misidentifying the two taken in a small college town in the NE of the US. It got two questions correct on photos taken in Korea (one with a fairly clear view of Haneul Park, the other a rather difficult to identify picture not resembling anything on google of Sunrise Peak). It got every other question in the US correct, ranging fr…

I played a round of Geoguessr against it and while it did a shockingly good job compared to what I was expecting, it still lags behind even novice human players. The locations and its guesses were: Bliss, Idaho - Burns, Oregon (273 miles away) Quilleco, Biobio, Chile - Eugene, Oregon (6,411 miles away) Dettighofen, Switzerland - Mühldorf, Germany (228 miles away) Pretoria, South Africa - Johannesburg, South Africa (3…

Okay, I decided to benchmark a bunch of AI models with geoguessr. One round each on diverse world, here's how they did out of 25,000:

Claude 3.7 Sonnet: 22,759

Qwen2.5-Max: 22,666

o3-mini-high: 22,159

Gemini 2.5 Pro: 18,479

Llama 4 Maverick: 14,316

mistral-large-latest: 10,405

Grok 3: 5,218

Deepseek R1: 0

command-a-03-2025: 0

Nova Pro: 0

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For military uses, if the us army doesn't have a much more precise, purpose built model, already trained on both private data and whatever they could get from google and others, I'd be extremely surprised. They will not be using chatgpt for serious things like that. (... or at least I'd be sure about that a few months ago - maybe a bit less now)

There is not a secret super duper powerful military version of cutting edge consumer technologies. AI is catching everyone with their pants down. You have access to the most powerful computer intelligence on earth, the same ones the NSA and CIA have access to. It's a bizarre world.

If you're going to make such an assertive statement you should maybe backup that claim with some substance. Without such, it's akin to an atheist proudly proclaiming there is definitely no such thing as god.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For military uses, if the us army doesn't have a much more precise, purpose built model, already trained on both private data and whatever they could get from google and others, I'd be extremely surprised. They will not be using chatgpt for serious things like that. (... or at least I'd be sure about that a few months ago - maybe a bit less now)

There is not a secret super duper powerful military version of cutting edge consumer technologies. AI is catching everyone with their pants down. You have access to the most powerful computer intelligence on earth, the same ones the NSA and CIA have access to. It's a bizarre world.

It's not about a secret super duper version, just specialisation. If military needs a product for location finding they can train that to a much better quality in a much smaller space than chatgpt, which needs to do just about anything. You can spend 100% energy on the task you want instead of memorising the bible.

Medical industry does it. Coding autocomplete solutions do it. Large deployments of support agents do it. Etc.

> most powerful computer intelligence on earth

There's more than one dimension. Chatgpt is way worse at classifying my data than my custom 30k weight model. (And around infinity times more expensive) Which is more powerful? Yeah...

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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There is not a secret super duper powerful military version of cutting edge consumer technologies. AI is catching everyone with their pants down. You have access to the most powerful computer intelligence on earth, the same ones the NSA and CIA have access to. It's a bizarre world.

If you're going to make such an assertive statement you should maybe backup that claim with some substance. Without such, it's akin to an atheist proudly proclaiming there is definitely no such thing as god.

No, actually the person asserting that a thing exists has the burden of proof.

You can demonstrate that the military has fighter jets better than civilians. Easy. You have no evidence at all that the military has super advanced AI systems consumers don't have. And in fact all anecdotal evidence for the past 3 years is that OSINT is as good or better than the DoD capabilities for photo analysis.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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> does not exist inside the body Uh okay but let us not be reductive, because again you are confusing physicality and temporal space with spiritual reality, which is nuanced. A Christian would never say that “the soul [never] exists inside the body” because what do you mean by “inside”? That begs the question. Look up hylomorphism: https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/i... https://en.wikipedia.o…

Lets fast forward this conversation to its conclusion of “its open to interpretation” and Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on religion or the fungible and unquantifiable soul concept

So the Internet is basically a series of tubes, and http packets are like mustard and ketchup that you pop into the tube, and it zooms along with air-pressure determined by the Chinese government. and then your bank puts dollar bills into the tubes on the Internet, and those tubes connect to vaults and safes underground, and that is how money gets into your account. Money doesn't come out of your account; it's just converted into dogecoin and then every User Interface automatically converts Dogecoin figures into USD before you can read it.

Also your computer is like a car. Your car works because there's a hamster or three in there and they keep them well-fed. Your computer also has a hamster, or a guinea pig sometimes. And your computer sends http packets over next door by means of carrier pigeons, or sometimes by semaphore.

Also men enjoy action-adventure films. Men enjoy films with lots of shooting. All men enjoy films with loud noises and special effects. Men like rock music with distorted guitars and loud drums. Men like loud soundsin general; that's why men are soldiers because we can blow stuff up and we listen to it.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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post #54

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I am sending it screenshots of my vacation pictures (i.e. without the metadata) and screenshots from GeoGuessr. It’s not doing well and is making guesses based on my location. So I sent it a photo from Warsaw and it guessed a place in my hometown of Calgary. Sent it a picture of Bangkok and it guessed Calgary in the summer or Hawaii or something like Singapore. It confidently stated that a photo from Versailles was H…

So much for a "Solved Problem".

They didn’t even say what model they used. Half the comments here are probably using a different model than the one in the article.
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