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Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by CSMastermind »

barcode_feeder wrote: post #45

I gave it a series of 11 images stripped of all metadata. It performed quite well, only misidentifying the two taken in a small college town in the NE of the US. It got two questions correct on photos taken in Korea (one with a fairly clear view of Haneul Park, the other a rather difficult to identify picture not resembling anything on google of Sunrise Peak). It got every other question in the US correct, ranging fr…

I played a round of Geoguessr against it and while it did a shockingly good job compared to what I was expecting, it still lags behind even novice human players.

The locations and its guesses were:

Bliss, Idaho - Burns, Oregon (273 miles away)

Quilleco, Biobio, Chile - Eugene, Oregon (6,411 miles away)

Dettighofen, Switzerland - Mühldorf, Germany (228 miles away)

Pretoria, South Africa - Johannesburg, South Africa (36 miles away)

Rockhampton, Australia - Gold Coast, Australia (437 miles away)

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by dewey »

Benjammer wrote: post #65
viraptor wrote: post #63

There's various degrees of "solved" here. Identifying a generic area is cool. But I wouldn't call it a "solved problem" until it can consistently beat for example Rainbolt in accuracy. And there's no good comparison of completely random roads posted so far - mainly popular locations. Basically, it's one thing to pick out a specific thing photographed thousands of times, but another to get a random country side view a…

One problem is how can you even set up a "fair" competition between an AI and Rainbolt? He does ones where it flashes for a fraction of a second and then he guesses the country. How do you simulate "only saw it for a fraction of a second" to an AI?

It’s fair, it just means he’s better and AI isn’t there yet.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by yieldcrv »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #61
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe they are referring to the soul. The soul according to doctrine does not exist inside the body for it can exist after the body's destruction.

> does not exist inside the body Uh okay but let us not be reductive, because again you are confusing physicality and temporal space with spiritual reality, which is nuanced. A Christian would never say that “the soul [never] exists inside the body” because what do you mean by “inside”? That begs the question. Look up hylomorphism: https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/i... https://en.wikipedia.o…

Lets fast forward this conversation to its conclusion of “its open to interpretation”

and Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on religion or the fungible and unquantifiable soul concept

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by bluesnews »

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #66
barcode_feeder wrote: post #45

I gave it a series of 11 images stripped of all metadata. It performed quite well, only misidentifying the two taken in a small college town in the NE of the US. It got two questions correct on photos taken in Korea (one with a fairly clear view of Haneul Park, the other a rather difficult to identify picture not resembling anything on google of Sunrise Peak). It got every other question in the US correct, ranging fr…

I uploaded this image that I screenshotted off Google street view (no metadata) and it got with 200m. https://chatgpt.com/share/6801bbf7-fd40-8008-985d-75c8813f55... There is the chat. Weirdly it said, "I’ve seen that exact house before on Google Street View when exploring Cairns neighborhoods."

It might train off of street view

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by al_borland »

Benjammer wrote: post #65
viraptor wrote: post #63

There's various degrees of "solved" here. Identifying a generic area is cool. But I wouldn't call it a "solved problem" until it can consistently beat for example Rainbolt in accuracy. And there's no good comparison of completely random roads posted so far - mainly popular locations. Basically, it's one thing to pick out a specific thing photographed thousands of times, but another to get a random country side view a…

One problem is how can you even set up a "fair" competition between an AI and Rainbolt? He does ones where it flashes for a fraction of a second and then he guesses the country. How do you simulate "only saw it for a fraction of a second" to an AI?

Maybe limit the time the AI is allowed to think? In the post it showed the AI thought for almost a minute.

I’ve seen Rainbolt ID an image based on some dirt and nothing else. I’d want to see AI be able to do that before saying it’s a solved problem.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by marxisttemp »

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #66
barcode_feeder wrote: post #45

I gave it a series of 11 images stripped of all metadata. It performed quite well, only misidentifying the two taken in a small college town in the NE of the US. It got two questions correct on photos taken in Korea (one with a fairly clear view of Haneul Park, the other a rather difficult to identify picture not resembling anything on google of Sunrise Peak). It got every other question in the US correct, ranging fr…

I uploaded this image that I screenshotted off Google street view (no metadata) and it got with 200m. https://chatgpt.com/share/6801bbf7-fd40-8008-985d-75c8813f55... There is the chat. Weirdly it said, "I’ve seen that exact house before on Google Street View when exploring Cairns neighborhoods."

This is the most impressive ChatGPT chat I’ve seen yet. While I theoretically can accept how large-scale probabilistic text generation can lead to this chain of “reasoning”, it really feels like actual intelligence.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #61
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe they are referring to the soul. The soul according to doctrine does not exist inside the body for it can exist after the body's destruction.

> does not exist inside the body Uh okay but let us not be reductive, because again you are confusing physicality and temporal space with spiritual reality, which is nuanced. A Christian would never say that “the soul [never] exists inside the body” because what do you mean by “inside”? That begs the question. Look up hylomorphism: https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/i... https://en.wikipedia.o…

inside is a reference to a physical property, the brain is an organ that exists inside the body, we can discern which part of the body is brain and which is not, the soul evidently has never been so identified, although there have been conjectures throughout history that various body parts were the seat of the soul.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by marxisttemp »

defrost wrote: post #39
layman51 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GeoGuessr is also not a “solved problem” in the sense that if you give the model a photo of an outdoor location that is not covered by Google Street View, then it will just make an educated guess which might still be many kilometers away.

Much of the interior of Western Australia (an area 3x the size of Texas) can be divided into very few cells which essentially look near identical in all directions, coupled with few roads for the area and not much in the way of uploaded snaps coverage. There's a lot of flat lands with spinifex in certain areas (easily a couple of United Kingdoms in size) and even a touch of mesa won't help narrow a location down from…

Because seem like someone who might have an interesting answer:

A GeoGuessr player, GeoWizard, has done a few “straight line challenges”, where he attempts to walk across a country in as straight a line as possible, usually planning beforehand with Google Earth and PostGIS. This got me thinking of what could fairly be thought of as “crossing”, since obviously you couldn’t describe e.g. walking from one side of Florida to the other as “crossing the USA”.

My best thought was to set the ending point of the line by following the border of the country in each direction til they met on the other side. To avoid the fractal coastline problem, use the challenger’s stride length as the unit of measure for the border.

But perhaps there is a better, more rigorous way of defining the opposite point on the edge of an arbitrary polygon.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Post by tapotatonumber9 »

yieldcrv wrote: post #73
AStonesThrow wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does not exist inside the body Uh okay but let us not be reductive, because again you are confusing physicality and temporal space with spiritual reality, which is nuanced. A Christian would never say that “the soul [never] exists inside the body” because what do you mean by “inside”? That begs the question. Look up hylomorphism: https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/i... https://en.wikipedia.o…

Lets fast forward this conversation to its conclusion of “its open to interpretation” and Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on religion or the fungible and unquantifiable soul concept

Thank you for this comment. You have expressed this far more eloquently and magnanimously this I would have.
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