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Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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I don't mean to be too critical, but why is breathwork/meditation so popular in Atheist circles? When I would presume rationality is the goal, and this seems like it would alter it in a negative way. (depriving your brain of oxygen, presumably decreases its ability to think rationally, or at least run at full capacity)

I get that someone like Sam Harris, makes bank promoting his meditation app. But his atheist audience is very receptive.

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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I don't mean to be too critical, but why is breathwork/meditation so popular in Atheist circles? When I would presume rationality is the goal, and this seems like it would alter it in a negative way. (depriving your brain of oxygen, presumably decreases its ability to think rationally, or at least run at full capacity) I get that someone like Sam Harris, makes bank promoting his meditation app. But his atheist audien…

Depriving? The goal is to oversaturate.

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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I don't mean to be too critical, but why is breathwork/meditation so popular in Atheist circles? When I would presume rationality is the goal, and this seems like it would alter it in a negative way. (depriving your brain of oxygen, presumably decreases its ability to think rationally, or at least run at full capacity) I get that someone like Sam Harris, makes bank promoting his meditation app. But his atheist audien…

If you presume rationality is the goal, then the rational mind should point to decades of research and anecdotal evidence that shows the positive effeccts of meditation and breathwork on mental well-being. Why are you assuming depriving your brain of oxygen for a short period of time is decreases the ability to think rationally? That could be a short term effect, but a long term adaptive effect could be the brain thinks more clearly. Same with fasting from food, etc.

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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In yoga breath work which happens there is directly tied into the rest of the practice. it isn’t taught enough in America, but if you find an actual good teacher, of which there do not seem to be many, the benefits are wonderful. Anecdotally and from personal experience, they say that when beginning a consistent practice you will often feel a great euphoria after practicing for 60 or 90 minutes. Can confirm; and it lasts for a couple hours also.

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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Intense but did you get any lasting change from it? Are you still practicing? I did some breathwork and disturbed something with my natural breathing pattern. For about two weeks I had insomnias and was constantly lightheaded. Im reluctant to try again..

What kind of breathwork did you do?

Circular but without outside supervision. Not sure if I did something wrong or if I need some customized practice. I am often running out of breath/out of sync breathwise when singing, often getting lightheaded effect which I do not like at all.

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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I have a degree in building science, so maybe I can chime in. Note of caution: you will find yourself breathing heavily after reading this. It's normal. We do a terrible job at ventilating our indoor spaces. As a cave-dwelling species our brains are quite comfortable with tuning out bad smells and tolerating stale air -- but the effect of it on our mode and well-being is almost immediate. You don't notice the effect,…

How do you measure indoor air quality? CO2 levels?

Our current understanding is that no amount of CO2 is dangerous as long as everything else is fine, but in reality CO2 acts like the canary in the coal mine. When it climbs, it shows accumulation of stuff you don't want to deal with.

Measurement of compounds is best done using a monitor like Aranet, but incidental bumps in different values don't mean much. Long trends matter. If Radon is an issue in your region, a detector for that. Mold testing kits are readily available in market indicating moisture issues and you can get lead and other hazmat testing done diy/professionally

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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I don't mean to be too critical, but why is breathwork/meditation so popular in Atheist circles? When I would presume rationality is the goal, and this seems like it would alter it in a negative way. (depriving your brain of oxygen, presumably decreases its ability to think rationally, or at least run at full capacity) I get that someone like Sam Harris, makes bank promoting his meditation app. But his atheist audien…

If you presume rationality is the goal, then the rational mind should point to decades of research and anecdotal evidence that shows the positive effeccts of meditation and breathwork on mental well-being. Why are you assuming depriving your brain of oxygen for a short period of time is decreases the ability to think rationally? That could be a short term effect, but a long term adaptive effect could be the brain thi…

Well, if one's thoughts can be altered depending on the amount of oxygen the brain receives. How can you possibly be sure about your own rationality. Couldn't you rationally start to question anything you've come to a conclusion about before, as just a byproduct of your brain's oxygen levels at that time.

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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How do you measure indoor air quality? CO2 levels?

Our current understanding is that no amount of CO2 is dangerous as long as everything else is fine, but in reality CO2 acts like the canary in the coal mine. When it climbs, it shows accumulation of stuff you don't want to deal with. Measurement of compounds is best done using a monitor like Aranet, but incidental bumps in different values don't mean much. Long trends matter. If Radon is an issue in your region, a de…

Aren't there several studies showing markedly worse performance at tasks at CO2 levels easily reached in a home? Or you just mean you won't die as the meaning of not dangerous?

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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I have a degree in building science, so maybe I can chime in. Note of caution: you will find yourself breathing heavily after reading this. It's normal. We do a terrible job at ventilating our indoor spaces. As a cave-dwelling species our brains are quite comfortable with tuning out bad smells and tolerating stale air -- but the effect of it on our mode and well-being is almost immediate. You don't notice the effect,…

How do you measure indoor air quality? CO2 levels?

Both particle measures and co2 sensors are somewhat affordable especially if buying raw sensors.

The up shot of it is ventilate frequently and dry heat cooking that browns anything (think steak in pan) releases a shit ton of particle so hood and open window

Re: Decreased CO2 during breathwork: emergence of altered states of consciousness

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How do you measure indoor air quality? CO2 levels?

I'ver heard the Aranet4 is quite good for this but haven't yet been able to justify buying one. I do try to open windows frequently, though.

I don't get why they're so expensive. You can buy the ndir co2 sensor on AliExpress for around $10. And yet they want $180 for that thing. And measuring humidity and barometric pressure is a component that costs $4 or $5 for you or I to buy.
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