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Post by thimabi »

Alifatisk wrote: post #249
thimabi wrote: post #225

I find it baffling that Google offers such impressive models through the API and even the free AI Studio with fine-grained control, yet the models used in the Gemini app feel much worse. Over the past few weeks, I’ve been using Gemini Advanced on my Workspace account. There, the models think for shorter times, provide shorter outputs, and even their context window is far from the advertised 1 million tokens. It makes…

Google lack marketing for ai studio, it has only recently become widely known through word of mouth

That does work in Google’s favor. Users who are technical enough to want a better model eventually learn about AI Studio, while the rest are none the wiser.

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Post by teleforce »

zoogeny wrote: post #252
teleforce wrote: post #245

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>obsequious Thanks for the new word, I have to look it up. "obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree" Apparently it means an AI that mindlessly follow your logic and instructions without reasoning and articulation is not good enough.

It's a bit of a fancy way to say "yes man". Like in corporations or politics, if a leader surrounds themselves with "yes men". A synonym would be sycophantic which would be "behaving or done in an obsequious way in order to gain advantage." The connotation is the other party misrepresents their own opinion in order to gain favor or avoid disapproval from someone of a higher status. Like when a subordinate tries to gu…

Yes, that's the first two words that come to my mind when I read the meaning. The Gen Z word now I think is "simp".

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by jimbob45 »

Oras wrote: post #71
Workaccount2 wrote: post #10

OpenAI might win the college students but it looks like Google will lock in enterprise.

Enterprise has already been won by Microsoft (Azure), which runs on OpenAI.

Came to say this. No respectable CTO would ever push a Google product to their superiors knowing Google will kill it in 1-3 years and they’ll look foolish for having pushed it.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by Nihilartikel »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #212
Nihilartikel wrote: post #202

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100% agree. I had Gemini flash 2 chew through thousands of points of nasty unstructured client data and it did a 'better than human intern' level conversion into clean structured output for about $30 of API usage. I am sold. 2.5 pro experimental is a different league though for coding. I'm leveraging it for massive refactoring now and it is almost magical.

> thousands of points of nasty unstructured client data What I always wonder in these kinds of cases is: What makes you confident the AI actually did a good job since presumably you haven't looked at the thousands of client data yourself? For all you know it made up 50% of the result.

For what it's worth, I did check over many hundreds of them. Formatted things for side by side comparison and ordered by some heuristics of data nastiness.

It wasn't a one shot deal at all. I found the ambiguous modalities in the data and hand corrected examples to include in the prompt. After about 10 corrections and some exposition about the cases it seemed to misundestand, it got really good. Edit: not too different from a feedback loop with an intern ;)

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Post by abletonlive »

JFingleton wrote: post #81
gambiting wrote: post #60

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In my experience they are as dumb as a bag of bricks. The other day I asked "can you edit a picture if I upload one" And it replied "sure, here is a picture of a photo editing prompt:" https://g.co/gemini/share/5e298e7d7613 It's like "baby's first AI". The only good thing about it is that it's free.

Prompt engineering is a thing. Learning how to "speak llm" will give you great results. There's loads of online resources that will teach you. Think of it like learning a new API.

for now. one would hope that this is a transitory moment in llms and that we can just use intuition in the future.

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Post by asadotzler »

JFingleton wrote: post #81
gambiting wrote: post #60

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In my experience they are as dumb as a bag of bricks. The other day I asked "can you edit a picture if I upload one" And it replied "sure, here is a picture of a photo editing prompt:" https://g.co/gemini/share/5e298e7d7613 It's like "baby's first AI". The only good thing about it is that it's free.

Prompt engineering is a thing. Learning how to "speak llm" will give you great results. There's loads of online resources that will teach you. Think of it like learning a new API.

LLM's whole thing is language. They make great translators and perform all kinds of other language tasks well, but somehow they can't interpret my English language prompts unless I go to school to learn how to speak LLM-flavored English?

WTF?

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Post by bayarearefugee »

blueyes wrote: post #229
jeeeb wrote: post #192

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After comparing Gemini Pro and Claude Sonnet 3.7 coding answers side by side a few times, I decided to cancel my Anthropic subscription and just stick to Gemini.

One of the main advantages Anthropic currently has over Google is the tooling that comes with Claude Code. It may not generate better code, and it has a lower complexity ceiling, but it can automatically find and search files, and figure out how to fix a syntax error fast.

As another person that cancelled my Claude and switched to Gemini, I agree that Claude Code is very nice, but beyond some initial exploration I never felt comfortable using it for real work because Claude 3.7 is far too eager to overengineer half-baked solutions that extend far beyond what you asked it to do in the first place.

Paying real API money for Claude to jump the gun on solutions invalidated the advantage of having a tool as nice as Claude Code, at least for me, I admit everyone's mileage will vary.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by blahgeek »

simonw wrote: post #267

An often overlooked feature of the Gemini models is that they can write and execute Python code directly via their API. My llm-gemini plugin supports that: https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini uv tool install llm llm install llm-gemini llm keys set gemini # paste key here llm -m gemini-2.5-flash-preview-04-17 \ -o code_excution 1 \ 'render a mandelbrot fractal in ascii art' I ran that just now and got this: https://g…

> An often overlooked feature of the Gemini models is that they can write and execute Python code directly via their API.

Could you elaborate? I thought function calling is a common feature among models from different providers

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Post by dieortin »

dr_kiszonka wrote: post #166
zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

I was a big fan of that model but it has been replaced in AI Studio by its preview version, which, by comparison, is pretty bad. I hope Google makes the release version much closer to the experimental one.

The preview version is exactly the same as the experimental one afaik
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