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Post by ModernMech »

croemer wrote: post #220
ModernMech wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been continually disappointed. I've been told it's getting exponentially better and we won't be able to keep up with how good they get, but I'm not convinced. I'm using them every single day and I'm never shocked or awed by its competence, but instead continually vexxed that isn't not living up to the hype I keep reading. Case in point: there was a post here recently about implementing a JS algorithm that highli…

"Overengineered anchor links": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43570324

Thank you!!

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Post by bingdig »

It appears that this impacted gemini-2.5-pro-preview-03-25 somehow? grounding with google search no longer works.

I had a workflow running that would pull news articles from the past 24 hours. It now refuses to believe the current date is 2025-04-17. Even with search turned on and I ask it what the date is it and it always replies sometime in July 2024.

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Post by newfocogi »

peterjliu wrote: post #121
mmaunder wrote: post #93

More great innovation from Google. OpenAI have two major problems. The first is Google's vertically integrated chip pipeline and deep supply chain and operational knowledge when it comes to creating AI chips and putting them into production. They have a massive cost advantage at every step. This translates into more free services, cheaper paid services, more capabilities due to more affordable compute, and far more g…

another advantage is people want the Google bot to crawl their pages, unlike most AI companies

This is right on. I work for a company with somewhat of a data moat and AI aspirations. We spend a lot of time blocking everyone's bots except for Google. We have people whose entire job is it to make it faster for Google to access our data. We exist because Google accesses our data. We can't not let them have it.

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zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

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Post by teleforce »

zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

>obsequious

Thanks for the new word, I have to look it up.

"obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree"

Apparently it means an AI that mindlessly follow your logic and instructions without reasoning and articulation is not good enough.

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Post by bitpush »

JPKab wrote: post #219
wcarss wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has killed so many amazing businesses -- entire industries, even, by giving people something expensive for free until the competition dies, and then they enshittify hard. It's cool to have access to it, but please be careful not to mistake corporate loss leaders for authentic products.

True. They are ONLY good when they have competition. The sense of complacency that creeps in is so obvious as a customer. To this day, the Google Home (or is it called Nest now?) speaker is the only physical product i've ever owned where it lost features over time. I used to be able to play the audio of a Youtube video (like a podcast) through it, but then Google decided that it was very very important that I only be…

The experience on Sonos is terrible. There are countless examples of people sinking 1000s of dollars into Sonos ecosystem, and the new app update has rendered them useless.

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Post by brap »

deanmoriarty wrote: post #178

Genuine naive question: when it comes to Google HN has generally a negative view of it (pick any random story on Chrome, ads, search, web, working at faang, etc. and this should be obvious from the comments), yet when it comes to AI there is a somewhat notable “cheering effect” for Google to win the AI race that goes beyond a conventional appreciation of a healthy competitive landscape, which may appear as a bit of a…

I am cheering for the old Google to make a comeback and it seems like the AI race has genuinely sparked something positive inside Google.

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Post by nemomarx »

teleforce wrote: post #245
zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

>obsequious Thanks for the new word, I have to look it up. "obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree" Apparently it means an AI that mindlessly follow your logic and instructions without reasoning and articulation is not good enough.

I think here it's referring to a common problem where the AI agrees with your position too easily, and/or changes it's answer if you tell it the answer is wrong instantly (therefore providing no stable true answer if you asked it something about a fact)?

Also the slightly over cheery tone maybe.

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Post by Alifatisk »

thimabi wrote: post #225

I find it baffling that Google offers such impressive models through the API and even the free AI Studio with fine-grained control, yet the models used in the Gemini app feel much worse. Over the past few weeks, I’ve been using Gemini Advanced on my Workspace account. There, the models think for shorter times, provide shorter outputs, and even their context window is far from the advertised 1 million tokens. It makes…

Google lack marketing for ai studio, it has only recently become widely known through word of mouth

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Post by jmacd »

NoahZuniga wrote: post #125
dcre wrote: post #43

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You can get an API key and they don't bill you. Free tier rate limits for some models (even decent ones like Gemini 2.0 Flash) are quite high. https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits#free-tier

The rate limits I've encountered with free api keys has been way lower than the limits advertised.

I agree. I found it unusable for anything but casual usage due to the rate limiting. I wonder if I am just missing something?
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