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Post by whoisthemachine »

kriro wrote: post #122
Keyframe wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has the data and has the hardware, not to mention software and infrastructure talent. Once this Bismarck turns around and it looks like it is, who can parry it for real? They have internet.zip and all the previous versions as well, they have youtube, email, search, books, traffic, maps and business on it, phones and habits around it, even the OG social network, the usenet. It's a sleeping giant starting to wak…

Agreed. One of Google's big advantages is the data access and integrations. They are also positioned really well for the "AI as entertainment" sector with youtube which will be huge (imo). They also have the knowledge in adtech and well injecting adds into AI is an obvious play. As is harvesting AI chat data. Meta and Google are the long term players to watch as Meta also has similar access (Insta, FB, WhatsApp).

On-demand GenAI could definitely change the meaning of "You" in "Youtube".

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Post by ModernMech »

xbmcuser wrote: post #50

For a non programmer like me google is becoming shockingly good. It is giving working code the first time. I was playing around with it asked it to write code to scrape some data of a website to analyse. I was expecting it to write something that would scrape the data and later I would upload the data to it to analyse. But it actually wrote code that scraped and analysed the data. It was basic categorizing and counti…

I've been continually disappointed. I've been told it's getting exponentially better and we won't be able to keep up with how good they get, but I'm not convinced. I'm using them every single day and I'm never shocked or awed by its competence, but instead continually vexxed that isn't not living up to the hype I keep reading.

Case in point: there was a post here recently about implementing a JS algorithm that highlighted headings as you scrolled (side note: can anyone remember what the title was? I can't find it again), but I wanted to test the LLM for that kind of task.

Pretty much no matter what I did, I couldn't get it to give me a solution that would highlight all of the titles down to the very last one.

I knew what the problem was, but even guiding the AI, it couldn't fix the code. I tried multiple AIs, different strategies. The best I could come up with was to guide it step by step on how to fix the code. Even telling it exactly what the problem was, it couldn't fix it.

So this goes out to the "you're prompting it wrong" crowd... Can you show me a prompt or a conversation that will get an AI to spit out working code for this task: JavaScript that will highlighting headings as you scroll, to the very last one. The challenge is to prompt it to do this without telling it how to implement it.

I figure this should be easy for the AI because this kind of thing is very standard, but maybe I'm just holding it wrong?

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by labrador »

mmaunder wrote: post #93

More great innovation from Google. OpenAI have two major problems. The first is Google's vertically integrated chip pipeline and deep supply chain and operational knowledge when it comes to creating AI chips and putting them into production. They have a massive cost advantage at every step. This translates into more free services, cheaper paid services, more capabilities due to more affordable compute, and far more g…

> If the only answer for both is "we'll build it from scratch", OpenAI is in very big trouble

They could buy Google+ code from Google and resurrect it with OpenAI branding. Alternately they could partner with Bluesky

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Post by cjohnson318 »

zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

Yeah, my wife pays for ChatGPT, but Gemini is fine enough for me.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by minimaxir »

behnamoh wrote: post #154
minimaxir wrote: post #139

One hidden note from Gemini 2.5 Flash when diving deep into the documentation: for image inputs, not only can the model be instructed to generated 2D bounding boxes of relevant subjects, but it can also create segmentation masks! https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/image-understanding#se... At this price point with the Flash model, creating segmentation masks is pretty nifty. The segmentation masks are a bit of a g…

Wait, did they just kill YOLO, at least for time-insensitive tasks?

YOLO is probably still cheaper if bounding boxes are your main goal. Good segmentation models that work for arbitrary labels, however, are much more expensive to set up and run, so this type of approach could be an interesting alternative depending on performance.

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

I was a big fan of that model but it has been replaced in AI Studio by its preview version, which, by comparison, is pretty bad. I hope Google makes the release version much closer to the experimental one.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by [deleted] »

ein0p wrote: post #152
mupuff1234 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure "decimated" is a fitting word for "slightly higher performance on some benchmarks".

66.8% error rate reduction for o4-mini on AIME2025, and 21% error rate reduction on MMMU isn't "slightly higher". It'll be quite noticeable in practice.

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Post by jskherman »

AbuAssar wrote: post #91

I noticed that OpenAI don't compare their models to third party models in their announcement posts, unlike google, meta and the others.

They're doing the Apple strategy. Less spotlight for other third parties, and less awareness how they're lagging behind so that those already ignorantly locked into OpenAI would not switch. But at this point why would anyone do that when switching costs are low?

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Post by phillypham »

simonw wrote: post #156

I spotted something interesting in the Python API library code: https://github.com/googleapis/python-genai/blob/473bf4b6b5a6... class ThinkingConfig(_common.BaseModel): """The thinking features configuration.""" include_thoughts: Optional[bool] = Field( default=None, description="""Indicates whether to include thoughts in the response. If true, thoughts are returned only if the model supports thought and thoughts are…

They removed the docs and support for it https://github.com/googleapis/python-genai/commit/af3b339a9d....

You can see the thoughts in AI Studio UI as per https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/thinking#debugging-and....

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by jsnell »

ant6n wrote: post #101
xbmcuser wrote: post #50

For a non programmer like me google is becoming shockingly good. It is giving working code the first time. I was playing around with it asked it to write code to scrape some data of a website to analyse. I was expecting it to write something that would scrape the data and later I would upload the data to it to analyse. But it actually wrote code that scraped and analysed the data. It was basic categorizing and counti…

Last time I tried Gemini, it messed with my google photo data plan and family sharing. I wish I could try the AI separate from my Google account.

> I wish I could try the AI separate from my Google account.

If that's a concern, just create another account. Doesn't even require using a separate browser profile, you can be logged into multiple accounts at once and use the account picker in the top right of most their apps to switch.

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