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Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by ant6n »

xbmcuser wrote: post #50

For a non programmer like me google is becoming shockingly good. It is giving working code the first time. I was playing around with it asked it to write code to scrape some data of a website to analyse. I was expecting it to write something that would scrape the data and later I would upload the data to it to analyse. But it actually wrote code that scraped and analysed the data. It was basic categorizing and counti…

Last time I tried Gemini, it messed with my google photo data plan and family sharing. I wish I could try the AI separate from my Google account.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

#102

Post by overfeed »

ein0p wrote: post #86
rfw300 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

o4-mini does look to be a better model, but this is actually a lot cheaper! It's ~7x cheaper for both input and output tokens.

These small models only make sense with "thinking" enabled. And once you enable that, much of the cost advantage vanishes, for output tokens.

> These small models only make sense with "thinking" enabled

This entirely depends on your use-cases.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

#103

Post by jay_kyburz »

spruce_tips wrote: post #27
arnaudsm wrote: post #6

Gemini flash models have the least hype, but in my experience in production have the best bang for the buck and multimodal tooling. Google is silently winning the AI race.

i have a high volume task i wrote an eval for and was pleasantly surprised at 2.0 flash's cost to value ratio especially compared to gpt4.1-mini/nano accuracy | input price | output price Gemini Flash 2.0 Lite: 67% | $0.075 | $0.30 Gemini Flash 2.0: 93% | $0.10 | $0.40 GPT-4.1-mini: 93% | $0.40 | $1.60 GPT-4.1-nano: 43% | $0.10 | $0.40 excited to to try out 2.5 flash

Can I ask a serious question. What task are you writing where its ok to get 7% error rate. I can't get my head around how this can be used.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by drob518 »

superfrank wrote: post #25
Workaccount2 wrote: post #10

OpenAI might win the college students but it looks like Google will lock in enterprise.

Is there really lock in with AI models? I built a product that uses and LLM and I got curious about the quality of the output from different models. It took me a weekend to go from just using OpenAI's API to having Gemini, Claude, and DeepSeek all as options and a lot of that time was research on what model from each provider that I wanted to use.

There isn’t much of a lock-in, and that’s part of the problem the industry is going to face. Everyone is spending gobs of money on training and if someone else creates a better one next week, the users can just swap it right in. We’re going to have another tech crash for AI companies, similar to what happened in 2001 for .coms. Some will be winners but they won’t all be.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

#105

Post by Workaccount2 »

kccqzy wrote: post #59
xbmcuser wrote: post #50

For a non programmer like me google is becoming shockingly good. It is giving working code the first time. I was playing around with it asked it to write code to scrape some data of a website to analyse. I was expecting it to write something that would scrape the data and later I would upload the data to it to analyse. But it actually wrote code that scraped and analysed the data. It was basic categorizing and counti…

That's the opposite experience of my wife who's in tech but also a non programmer. She wanted to ask Gemini to write code to do some basic data analysis things in a more automated way than Excel. More than once, Gemini wrote a long bash script where some sed invocations are just plain wrong. More than once I've had to debug Gemini-written bash scripts. As a programmer I knew how bash scripts aren't great for readabil…

There is definitely an art to doing it, but the ability is definitely there even if you don't know the language at all.

I have a few programs now that are written in Python (2 by 3.7, one by 2.5) used for business daily, and I can tell you I didn't, and frankly couldn't, check a single line of code. One of them is ~500 LOC, the other two are 2200-2700 LOC.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by xbmcuser »

ac29 wrote: post #84
xbmcuser wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had similar experiences few months back that is why I am saying it is becoming shockingly good the 2.5 is a lot better than the 2.0 version. Another thing I have realized just like google search in the past your query has a lot to do with the results you get. So an example of what you want works at getting better results

> I am saying it is becoming shockingly good the 2.5 is a lot better than the 2.0 version Are you specifically talking about 2.5 Flash? It only came out an hour ago, I dont know how you would have enough experience with it already to come to your conclusion. (I am very impressed with 2.5 Pro, but that is a different model that's been available for several weeks now)

I am talking about 2.5 Pro

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by JeremyNT »

arnaudsm wrote: post #20
belter wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is silently winning the AI race. That is what we keep hearing here...The last Gemini I cancelled the account, and can't help notice the new one they are offering for free...

Sorry I was talking of B2B APIs for my YC startup. Gemini is still far behind for consumers indeed.

I use Gemini almost exclusively as a normal user. What am I missing out on that they are far behind on?

It seems shockingly good and I've watched it get much better up to 2.5 Pro.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by ghurtado »

gambiting wrote: post #60
arnaudsm wrote: post #6

Gemini flash models have the least hype, but in my experience in production have the best bang for the buck and multimodal tooling. Google is silently winning the AI race.

In my experience they are as dumb as a bag of bricks. The other day I asked "can you edit a picture if I upload one" And it replied "sure, here is a picture of a photo editing prompt:" https://g.co/gemini/share/5e298e7d7613 It's like "baby's first AI". The only good thing about it is that it's free.

> in my experience they are as dumb as a bag of bricks

In my experience, anyone that describes LLMs using terms of actual human intelligence is bound to struggle using the tool.

Sometimes I wonder if these people enjoy feeling "smarter" when the LLM fails to give them what they want.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by edaemon »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #10

OpenAI might win the college students but it looks like Google will lock in enterprise.

It seems more and more like AI is less of a product and more of a feature. Most people aren't going to care or even know about the model or the company who made it, they're just going to use the AI features built into the products they already use.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by drob518 »

mwest217 wrote: post #83
ks2048 wrote: post #67

If this announcement is targeting people not up-to-date on the models available, I think they should say what "flash" means. Is there a "Gemini (non-flash)"? I see the 4 Google model names in the chart here. Are these 4 the main "families" of models to choose from? - Gemini-Pro-Preview - Gemini-Flash-Preview - Gemini-Flash - Gemini-Flash-Lite

Gemini has had 4 families of models, in order of decreasing size: - Ultra - Pro - Flash - Flash-Lite Versions with `-Preview` at the end haven't had their "official release" and are technically in some form of "early access" (though I'm not totally clear on exactly what that means given that they're fully available and as of 2.5 Pro Preview, have pricing attached to them - earlier versions were free during Preview bu…

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