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Google is illegally monopolizing online advertising tech, judge rules

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Re: Google is illegally monopolizing online advertising tech, judge rules

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Google really should start floating some plans for splitting itself up. Things worked out pretty well when Ma Bell was split up. Some people thought it would all fail, but the companies have done a good job competing and cooperating at the right times. If Google comes up with the plans, it's better than some antagonist.

The baby bells just bought each other up, and nothing really changed

Re: Google is illegally monopolizing online advertising tech, judge rules

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post #8

Google really should start floating some plans for splitting itself up. Things worked out pretty well when Ma Bell was split up. Some people thought it would all fail, but the companies have done a good job competing and cooperating at the right times. If Google comes up with the plans, it's better than some antagonist.

Google seems harder to split up than Bell to me. Bell was split regionally which makes sense since each region has it's own wires and can make money separately. Google has the problem that all their products other than adds lose money (or make money through integration with Google adds)

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Re: Google is illegally monopolizing online advertising tech, judge rules

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post #8

Google really should start floating some plans for splitting itself up. Things worked out pretty well when Ma Bell was split up. Some people thought it would all fail, but the companies have done a good job competing and cooperating at the right times. If Google comes up with the plans, it's better than some antagonist.

Google seems harder to split up than Bell to me. Bell was split regionally which makes sense since each region has it's own wires and can make money separately. Google has the problem that all their products other than adds lose money (or make money through integration with Google adds)

This is exactly why it's important to bust them up: all those other products are effectively "dumping" on whatever sector they compete in. This even discourages time-investment (to develop) and learning-to-use investment (for users) for free alternatives, not just commercial ones.

Re: Google is illegally monopolizing online advertising tech, judge rules

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Water is obviously wet, depending on your definition of "wet". Likewise Google is obviously an online advertising tech monopoly, depending on your definition of "monopoly". There might be legal or technical rationals for why these statements are not true. But practically speaking, they are obviously true and that's what should matter.

Something is wet when it is covered in water, so how can water be wet? It's just water.

Re: Google is illegally monopolizing online advertising tech, judge rules

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post #8

Google really should start floating some plans for splitting itself up. Things worked out pretty well when Ma Bell was split up. Some people thought it would all fail, but the companies have done a good job competing and cooperating at the right times. If Google comes up with the plans, it's better than some antagonist.

> Things worked out pretty well when Ma Bell was split up

In what way? They all just re-consolidated back into monopolies. I have one choice of telecom provider in my location: if I don’t like Xfinity, I get to eat shit. At least Ma Bell had to get the government’s permission to raise prices; frankly, I’d prefer having that back.

Re: Google is illegally monopolizing online advertising tech, judge rules

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Google isn't a monopoly in the Standard Oil sense of the term. Its ad revenue is big because it occupies so much user attention. I actually think many suggested remedies would actually make Google more profitable.

For example, prohibiting Apple-Style search deals would mean that Google gets a smaller amount of traffic, but that traffic would come with zero cost. That could end up being more profitable. A similar argument applies to Chrome or any other customer acquisition vehicle.

The real barriers to making Google competitive are fixable but require a different sort of regulation outside of antitrust.

Re: Google is illegally monopolizing online advertising tech, judge rules

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The market is being unfairly defined based on how things worked decades ago instead of looking at the modern landscape. Tech evolved rapidly and the way things worked decades ago may not be optimal for the end user as things change.

> how things worked decades ago

you mean, before monopolies?

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