CERN releases report on the feasibility of a possible Future Circular Collider

Post by refulgentis » Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 2:21 AM UTC

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You nailed it. In addition, they're absolutely correct, some subset of particle researchers were wish-casting for SUSY stuff. In addition, there's a significant substantive difference between "$X was defined and built for discovering $Y" and "some subset of $X hoped for proof of their theory $Y via $Z being discovered" -- there was also some subset that hoped for proof of string theory , or innumerable other things.…

Experimenters always were more skeptical; I hypothesized asking phenomenologists for a reason. I like Adam Falkowski's description of what it was like in [1] (about the end of dedicated SUSY working groups at CERN): the existence of SUSY was almost a fact for a bulk of researchers working on the topic. This certainly was reflected in hiring practices, and you had a large group of top researchers whose entire publicat…

Post by pests » Wed, Apr 16, 2025, 5:36 AM UTC

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I don't know what Sabine would spend $40B on instead, but intuitively that seems like it could buy a lot of research in a lot of areas, rather than picking particle physics. And it doesn't have to be physics, it could be cancer research, or not even research: each country involved could upgrade their sewage system instead. But Sabine doesn't have to have all the answers to be right to point out that there's an enormo…

> there's an enormous conflict of interest if you ask particle physicists whether they'd like $40B That's not a conflict of interest, like at all . What are you talking about?

Post by _giorgio_ » Wed, Apr 16, 2025, 4:30 PM UTC

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BrandoElFollito wrote: post #115

This is unreasonable spending. And I am saying this as someone who did his PhD at CERN, so I am shitting my old bed. CERN is wonderful but the physics studied there are eons away from applications. This is not solid state physics where you can suddenly discover a great material. This is physics at such energies that we will not have anyone soon. Kinda like quasar astrophysics, about objects that are really far away.…

All is relative. 16 billions of EUR looks like a lot. But are spent in 12 years, so 1.3 Billions of Eur year. To compare Italy alone has spent 1 billion to have empty immigrant centers in Albania in less than two years.