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Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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My tinfoil hat says they want to privatize this through one of the administrations friends. A disastrous decision here.

Why would they spend money to replace it? The idea is to weaken and destroy the US and its institutions. Giving Palantir money might mean that security improves, and that goes against their goals. They have already demanded that Russia stop being treated as a cybersecurity threat in other areas of the government, this is a way to ensure that systems are vulnerable to attack.

These sort of government services are always under attack by private organizations. The US Gov doesn't have to give Palantir or whoever a contract, they just cede the ground, give the right people a heads up, and then make the new subscription service a "recommended service provider" as a solid to whichever of Elon's circle gets the nod.

In the UK the some "entrepreneur" was after monetizing access to the Land Registry a couple of years ago. Apparently the free UK Gov service was not fit for purpose it needed a paywall to make it better. Nothing as globally significant as the CVE database, but you can see if the vultures are going after small UK Gov services, something like the CVE database is absolutely a chance to add to the executive bonus pool.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

#812

The contract with MITRE has been extended. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2025/04/16/cve-... My guess indefinitely. DOGE might be a bunch of idiots, but in the entire DOD, there are non-idiots.

But the article says, quote: > It’s unclear what led to DHS’s decision to end the contract after 25 years and then suddenly it gets extended. What does it have to do with DOGE?

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Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

#813

The contract with MITRE has been extended. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2025/04/16/cve-... My guess indefinitely. DOGE might be a bunch of idiots, but in the entire DOD, there are non-idiots.

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I don't think that getting rid of most of the people who perform careful cost-benefit analysis and inspect for waste, and switching to a model of just cancelling everything and waiting to see what goes on fire, is "making the country a little better each day".

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

#814
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is that they’ll be phased out next year. The long-term goal seems to be transitioning the CVE program into something more like an industry-led consortium. (If you did not notice they operate zero budgeting approach: cut everything and if something is very important reverse it. But you cut first and then ask questions.) It’s worth noting that MITRE is a DoD contractor (with minor contracts from other agencies…

I’m a little hesitant to trust a CVE database operated by private industry on the grounds of conflict of interest for that reason, too.

MITRE is a Federally Funded Research and Development Center (FFRDC), which is a distinct type of federal contractor with strict conflict of interest regulations. They are owned by the federal government, but operated by contractors and are specifically structured and regulated to minimize conflicts of interest, so are distinct from "private industry" in many regards.

You can read a congressional report by the CRS describing FFRDCs and their role here: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R44629.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

#815
There seems to be little reason for the US government to pay for this since it is vital information that a lot of companies rely upon.

Some form of a foundation or NGO could be given a reasonable endowment from the industry to operate the CVE program.

O am quite hesitant to trust the DOD to keep track of software vulnerabilities. Some parts are developing and exploiting vulnerabilities. And given a fresh feed of what people find, and usually a delay from notification until publication, which may sometimes just be a bit longer of a delay, would allow the DOD to weaponize the vulnerability for their own use as well.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

#816
post #449

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Apart from the few maniacs On Here who seek out the unregulated intentionally. Raw milk (all those tasty diseases). "Research chemicals" (don't hear so much about that lately, but there were whole microdosing fads).

Raw milk is delicious, my ancestors have been drinking it for millennia.

> Raw milk is delicious, my ancestors have been drinking it for millennia.

Before refrigeration most milk was made into butter, cheese and other products. Unless your ancestors actually herded the animals themselves they probably didn’t drink much raw milk.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

#817
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I don't know if this is a Poe's Law situation or not, so apologies if this is a satirical bit, but I'm horrified by the idea that you may be serious.

No, see, they're doing things and doing things is Good. Therefore progress is being made, and the country is being made incrementally better.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

#819
post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spot on. Vulnerability scanners that make up an organizational Security Score (TM) tend to operate at the wrong level of abstraction, flagging some library somewhere that never runs and has nothing to do with your production flow or architecture, or some test keys with zero security impact. Go explain that to management, because obviously the security tools are right and you are wrong. This sad state of affairs is un…

This is my research field. Do you have any input you can think of at the top of your head?

That's very cool. You probably know more about it than I do, then, but my advice is to articulate the exact problem you try to solve.

I expect your field is probably teeming with AI proposals or offers on how to manage vulnerabilities, but that is doubtful the way, because again it is adding complexity, and no classifier is perfect, especially when scanners fail to understand scanned applications and their threat models or environment.

Stop selling external scanners, start simplifying code? This will never work, of course, because security vendors sell the promise of security to those willing to buy it, in the form of add-on products and capabilities.

Empower people to ignore scanner reports without so much red tape? That would never work either, because megacorp wants compliance and reduced liability.

Build secure systems as opposed to cataloging and scoring flaws? That would never work, because building secure systems is hard, nature tends to favor otherwise.

Charge people for adding complexity and credit them for removing complexity? Sadly, there is no way to do that, especially since products must ship and quality is hard to observe, since it is often invisible and only surfaces when things are broken.

Off the top of my head, would be nice to require proof of exploitation, by adding CTF-like capabilities to apps, such that only if the flag is captured do we consider the report real. This places more burden on scanners, in that it is no longer enough to report an outdated library. Requiring some proof of exploitability reduces noise and increases SNR, reducing false positives. Naturally, not all vulnerabilities have working exploits, and scanners can never fully simulate an adversary, so we may get more false negatives, but at least we would not have to waste so much time upgrading pointless modules and breaking applications to appease a false report. So the idea is "here is a dummy asset, show me how you leaked or compromised it". Adding the dummy asset should be cheap, but would force scanners to better simulate an attack.

At the very least, there ought to be a knob to decrease scanner sensitivity.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

#820
post #739

The contract with MITRE has been extended. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2025/04/16/cve-... My guess indefinitely. DOGE might be a bunch of idiots, but in the entire DOD, there are non-idiots.

My guess is that they’ll be phased out next year. The long-term goal seems to be transitioning the CVE program into something more like an industry-led consortium. (If you did not notice they operate zero budgeting approach: cut everything and if something is very important reverse it. But you cut first and then ask questions.) It’s worth noting that MITRE is a DoD contractor (with minor contracts from other agencies…

> The long-term goal seems to be...

Where do you get that from?

I've seen no sign of long-term goals, much less any mechanisms being put in place for follow-through on those goals.

It seems like people keep making the mistake of believing there's a detailed plan, while all evidence tells us there isn't. I guess it's the normal human tendency to see order in the chaos.

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