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Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

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What institutions other than Columbia are caving in?

Every law firm.

Every law firm is hyperbole but I meant what other universities other than Columbia?

Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

#172

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The point of no return was January 6th 2021! Once Americans pardoned an attempt by the sitting president to overthrow US democracy the game's over. America desperately needs a huge revision to the powers conceded to individuals and should instead mature to a slower, maybe less effective at times, but stronger democracy that nurtures parliamentary debate and discourse.

> Once Americans pardoned an attempt by the sitting president to overthrow US democracy it's over already By this logic it was “over already” at the end of the Civil War. Suspending habeus corpus , ignoring the courts and then meeting with public indifference will be the point of no return. Trump’s third term would just be the canary passing out.

> By this logic it was “over already” at the end of the Civil War.

That may be true. The North won the war, but let the ideology that caused it fester.

Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

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I guess that Harvard probably does not need the Feds as much as the Feds need Harvard but I'm glad they are standing up to the Fascists. I'm going to have to see what NYU is doing now.

The thing to remember is that these grants are their research budget. The endowment is largely earmarked for educational projects. Your average university professor is there because they want to do research, not because they want to teach - so the research budget is critical for educating as well.

I assume Harvard has a plan for dealing with this dynamic. They have some extremely smart people there, so I don't doubt they've found a way.

Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

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If you've read history, this rhymes with certain acts that have happened before under certain regimes. Under a non-authoritarian Government, this type of showboating can be dismissed, but when habeas corpus and the right to due process is suspended — such actions take on a very different cast indeed. It's good that Harvard is fighting this. The more people accede, the more they will accelerate down a path where there…

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Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

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It was very depressing (if financially understandable) to see other institutions immediately caving in.

What institutions other than Columbia are caving in?

A long list of extremely large, well-heeled law firms

Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

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The university, as a private institution, has every right to hold whatever views and enforce whatever policies it sees fit within itself. The government, on the other hand, has every right to put conditions its counterparty should conform to in order to get money from the government. It's best when the bargaining about such conditions happens with mutual respect and without overreach, but respect and sobriety are in…

The governments conditions are not unlimited.

Their proposed "viewpoint diversity" is absurd at face value.

Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

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What does the Federal Gov need Harvard for? Harvard gets 16% of its funding from them - what outweighs that on the aide of the Federal government?

I wonder how many Harvard graduates work for either Trump or the federal government.

Most if not all of his cabinet (surprisingly) have an Ivy League background. Not sure if that's an endorsement on them, or an indictment on Ivy League schools

Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

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post #152

The university, as a private institution, has every right to hold whatever views and enforce whatever policies it sees fit within itself. The government, on the other hand, has every right to put conditions its counterparty should conform to in order to get money from the government. It's best when the bargaining about such conditions happens with mutual respect and without overreach, but respect and sobriety are in…

Do you believe antisemitism is a problem at Harvard? If so, what led you to believe this?

Re: Harvard's response to federal government letter demanding changes

#180

If you've read history, this rhymes with certain acts that have happened before under certain regimes. Under a non-authoritarian Government, this type of showboating can be dismissed, but when habeas corpus and the right to due process is suspended — such actions take on a very different cast indeed. It's good that Harvard is fighting this. The more people accede, the more they will accelerate down a path where there…

these types of moves wouldn't be possible in the first place if these institutions hadn't spent decades burning their own credibility. They even mention Alzheimer's research in this post, something that has literally wasted billions of taxpayer dollars due to an academic cartel shutting down anybody trying to expose the fact that they were completely wrong about amyloid plaques

> if these institutions hadn't spent decades burning their own credibility

They burned their credibility among those with whom they never needed it in the first place. Harvard as a taxpayer-funded institution is oxymoronic. Return it to an elite institution that the President can commend in private and mock at a rally in rural Kentucky or whatnot.

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