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Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by techjamie »

jb1991 wrote: post #120
Aurornis wrote: post #76

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I cannot think of anyone here in the United States who got married for legal benefits, other than some couples working on citizenship issues for one partner without citizenship. I think your Americans-vs-Europeans argument is greatly exaggerated if not outright false.

Married filing jointly, tax benefits. My sibling did it. Also, health insurance. Another thing Americans have yet to learn from Europe. In the states, sometimes you have to get married just to get health insurance. It’s kind of ridiculous.

My employer is of course just one and not representative of every company. But my work/indurance is happy to accept long term domestic partner in lieu of marriage. As long as you swear to be in a long term committed relationship and live together, it's fine.

Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by diogocp »

jb1991 wrote: post #154
drivingmenuts wrote: post #152

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I'm pretty sure that people here in the US get married for emotional and spiritual reasons far more than they do for legal reasons.

While I do get your point, marriage is so deeply ingrained into the legal and financial systems of the U.S. that I think many can't help but subconsciously attach these things that really should be independent. Marriage unlocks a wide range of legal and financial benefits: access to a spouse’s health insurance, favorable tax treatment (like joint filing and estate tax breaks), and legal protections such as hospital v…

> In many other countries, marriage is not attached to these things.

Care to name one?

What you described is basically how marriage works in my corner of Europe.

Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by pfdietz »

justonenote wrote: post #164
pfdietz wrote: post #50

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I've come to a conclusion that the solution may be somewhat radical. If coupling is reduced, it should become the norm for women to have and raise children alone, or at least without a male partner. This increases the burden on women, so at the same time the number of children they must support would have to decrease. This could be achieved technologically, by filtering sperm to remove Y chromosome carrying gametes.…

cool idea. once we have mandated ivf as the only way of conception we can probably start selecting sperm from populations with higher than average iq too.

A mandate would be only one way to reach that state, and I don't think it would be a good way. Better would be a situation where female children become desired over male children, for example because they have better career prospects. In a female dominated society, discrimination against men could be a thing. Today, already, female students on average outperform male students in school and university.

Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by sudoshred »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #143
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #109

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> For making healthcare decisions, durable power attorney and a medical proxy should be sufficient for unmarried couples. Should be isn't is . PoA aren't trivially recognized in the way a marriage is. If you have to interact with more than a couple of services you ought to expect friction. A local medical provider might not be familiar with a PoA but that can be worked out. However, bureaucracies like insurance provi…

I can only recommend having an attorney you can call who will threaten those who won’t respect the legal authority of the documents. People are always the weakest link unfortunately. Lawyer. Passport. Locksmith. Gun. (A Talk About Risk and Preparedness) [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33509164 (I hold POA and medical proxies for people who need someone they can trust to assert their medical decisions a…

The entire legal system is essentially based on interpersonal credibility.

Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by justonenote »

pfdietz wrote: post #174
justonenote wrote: post #164

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cool idea. once we have mandated ivf as the only way of conception we can probably start selecting sperm from populations with higher than average iq too.

A mandate would be only one way to reach that state, and I don't think it would be a good way. Better would be a situation where female children become desired over male children, for example because they have better career prospects. In a female dominated society, discrimination against men could be a thing. Today, already, female students on average outperform male students in school and university.

my comment was tounge-in-cheek, pointing out that its essentially eugenics which is a controversial topic. although apparently less so when its applied to "Y chromosome holders" as you can see in a sibling reply where this particular group of people are deemed problematic and something that should be got rid of.

Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

pfdietz wrote: post #170
BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #140

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But like… why?

I don't want the human population to asymptotically go to zero.

That assumes our behaviors don’t shift in response to our environment though. The main issue with birthrates is the very real incoming demographic collapse, not a complete population collapse.

Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by pdabbadabba »

jb1991 wrote: post #125
pdabbadabba wrote: post #71

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> People get married in the states because of the law That's at least vastly overstated, and probably just false. I'm an American living in a major urban center and I don't think I know anybody for whom the decision to get married was influenced by legal considerations to any significant degree.

Just google all of the legal and financial benefits that you get in the United States when you get married.

I'm not ignorant of the legal incentives in the U.S. and I'm not saying people never marry for those reasons. But the post I was responding to was making a much stronger generalization. Most people who marry in the U.S. also do it for "emotional or spiritual reasons."

Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by jfengel »

watwut wrote: post #157
jfengel wrote: post #32

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Many people do a lousy job of looking after their own health, including their mental health. Having all of your sex come from porn is like having all of your meals come from McDonald's. And that's a choice you can make. It's probably not the best choice, but a fair number of people do in fact make it.

Then again, if what you primary want from relationship is sex, then it is better for everyone if you either use port or hop on some one-night-stand kind of scene/app. Because stringing along some poor soul that looks for actual relationship and let her waste months to figure out this relationship was never going to happen sux.

True. Though it does help to have some close female companions at some point in order to be able to see what that one night stand looks like from her point of view. Too many men do not understand why she has to be cautious and how to assuage those fears, and end up blaming women for it.

Re: Half the men in Seattle are never-married singles, census data shows

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Post by Jensson »

parpfish wrote: post #35
aacid wrote: post #30

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I have currently some relationship issues so I might be biased but I keep asking myself what will I miss if not in relationship except sex that cannot be supplemented with family or friends… I've yet to find the answer.

I wouldnt be be surprised if there’s already a “relationship free” movement/group/trend similar to “childfree”.

There is, it is called MGTOW.
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