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Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by Agingcoder »

Saline9515 wrote: post #186
andrepd wrote: post #161

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It's mind boggling to me that this is a genuine comment. I suggest this yt channel as a start to open your eyes as to how yes, another world is possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORzNZUeUHAM

I live in Riga, here cyclists ride on the sidewalk, along with e-scooters. I went out for a ten minutes walk with my son, I had to physically and verbally intervene three times to avoid him being hit by a cyclist or e-scooter. Last month our nanny was hit by a cyclist. In Paris it is very common and the main reason they banned e-scooters. So, while the US paradigm is toxic, I'm not convinced about the one you are pro…

This is certainly not very common in Paris. Cyclists behave extremely badly, but don’t ride on the sidewalk. E-scooters were another story though, and were indeed banned for this reason.

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Post by jodrellblank »

pornel wrote: post #332
rowanG077 wrote: post #237

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It's true they are not that much heavier in terms of pure numbers. But road wear is a proportional to the difference in axle weight to the fourth power.

But this also means that almost all of the wear is from trucks. This whole meme comes from junk science ( https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/pollution-tyre-wear-... ) > we found that the car emitted 5.8 grams per kilometer of particles. Compared with regulated exhaust emission limits of 4.5 milligrams per kilometer, the completely unregulated tyre wear emission is higher by a factor of over 1,000. They took plas…

That doesn't pass a sniff test; emitting 5 grams of tyre rubber per kilometer, a 12Kg tyre would be completely vanished in 3000km but really they can last 60,000km with only the tread worn down beyond safe levels and the bulk of the tyre still there.

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Post by Agingcoder »

saltysalt wrote: post #331

Airparif is an NGO run by environmentalists and funded by the EU, not sure how independent they are?

Where did you find this ? This is just plain wrong.

Airparif is a collection of people involving regular people, the local cities, major polluters etc. https://www.airparif.fr/airparif/missions-dairparif ( unfortunately in French)

It’s funded 24% by the state, 24% by cities, 27% by large companies including the polluting ones,20% by selling what they produce/know how etc.

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Post by Beretta_Vexee »

saltysalt wrote: post #337
stouset wrote: post #335

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Who, exactly, would you like to monitor air quality and who, exactly, do you think should be funding it?

Someone without bias, obviously.

Can you demonstrate that Airparif is biased?

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Post by saltysalt »

Agingcoder wrote: post #373
saltysalt wrote: post #331

Airparif is an NGO run by environmentalists and funded by the EU, not sure how independent they are?

Where did you find this ? This is just plain wrong. Airparif is a collection of people involving regular people, the local cities, major polluters etc. https://www.airparif.fr/airparif/missions-dairparif ( unfortunately in French) It’s funded 24% by the state, 24% by cities, 27% by large companies including the polluting ones,20% by selling what they produce/know how etc.

"Airparif has raised an undisclosed amount of funding from 1 Grant (prize money) round on Jun 01, 2014 from European Union."

Source: https://tracxn.com/d/companies/airparif/__7FZ-JDeTGVeYNdb_2-...

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Post by potato3732842 »

alistairSH wrote: post #188
itsmartapuntocm wrote: post #178

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It’s all by design. Car dependent suburbs with no transit access make it easier to keep “undesirables” out of your neck of the woods. Robert Moses infamously made great use of infrastructure and urban planning to reinforce redlining.

Just one example. He required bridges be built too low for buses to pass, limiting access to parks and beaches to those who owned cars… https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-09/robert-mo...

>ust one example. He required bridges be built too low for buses to pass, limiting access to parks and beaches to those who owned cars… >https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-09/robert-mo...

If you're gonna claim something don't cite an article that's all about debunking that thing.

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Post by umbra07 »

Kavelach wrote: post #52
ARandomerDude wrote: post #21

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Ah yes, the joy of destroying your neighbor’s property just for fun. Is he a working-class guy, struggling to pay his bills? Too bad. Because nothing says “let’s build a better future” than a riot.

Massive strikes that are hard to contain got use the 8 hour work day, weekends and a lot of labor rights. Civil right movements won only because a huge portion of them were militant (back then even the National Rifle Association supported banning guns). A violent status quo necessitates violence to achieve change.

Do you perhaps see a difference between "massive strikes" and "destroying your neighbor's property?"
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