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Delusional themes may be more varied than we thought

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direct link to paper (the numbers are on page 5) https://watermark.silverchair.com/sbae225.pdf?token=AQECAHi2...

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Re: Delusional themes may be more varied than we thought

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> Delusions — fixed, false beliefs that cannot be changed by evidence — are a key symptom of many psychotic disorders

Interesting that "psychotic disorders" can be replaced with "tribalism" and still be true. We can easily identify such false beliefs in other tribes but often have a blind spot for them in our own.

But in terms of tribes or politics it is not clear that this is a disorder. Believing the same false things as our neighbors is often rewarded with status, wealth and mating opportunities, while failing to do so can be deadly. What converts the same tendency into psychosis can be merely the context: it's psychotic to believe false things when there is no social advantage to it and it therefore becomes unfit. But the same is true of believing true things when they conflict with a tribe's deeply held false beliefs.

Like a propensity to violence, believing false things can be a deadly strategy. Or it can be the only strategy that allows a chance for survival. And you may not know which until it is too late. It would be nice to live in a world where violence and false beliefs are consistently maladaptive, but that isn't this one.

Re: Delusional themes may be more varied than we thought

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direct link to paper (the numbers are on page 5) https://watermark.silverchair.com/sbae225.pdf?token=AQECAHi2...

> Your session has timed out. Please go back to the article page and click the PDF link again. Direct linking doesn’t work

Well, you have left the token in. But it needs a token, so it will be faster to use the link in the web pages.

Re: Delusional themes may be more varied than we thought

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> Delusions — fixed, false beliefs that cannot be changed by evidence — are a key symptom of many psychotic disorders Interesting that "psychotic disorders" can be replaced with "tribalism" and still be true. We can easily identify such false beliefs in other tribes but often have a blind spot for them in our own. But in terms of tribes or politics it is not clear that this is a disorder. Believing the same false thi…

In the medical definition, "fixed" is an important aspect of it. Maybe you have interacted with people with diagnosable psychosis, but if you haven't, it can be difficult to accept how the beliefs present.

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> Delusions — fixed, false beliefs that cannot be changed by evidence — are a key symptom of many psychotic disorders Interesting that "psychotic disorders" can be replaced with "tribalism" and still be true. We can easily identify such false beliefs in other tribes but often have a blind spot for them in our own. But in terms of tribes or politics it is not clear that this is a disorder. Believing the same false thi…

I try to believe one false thing a day. Like a glass of wine. Good for the heart.

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The paper doesn't seem to actually define their categories anywhere. Am I just missing it? Or am I meant to intuitively know the difference between "spied on / watched" and "spy / surveillance"?

Edit - upon re-reading, it seems like they're just using the themes present in the underlying literature, with _extremely_ conservative merging. Which makes the headline claim, that there are 37 distinct themes, pretty pointless. Is "spied on" really a distinct theme from "surveillance"? More likely, there's just no standardised name for it.

Re: Delusional themes may be more varied than we thought

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> Delusions — fixed, false beliefs that cannot be changed by evidence — are a key symptom of many psychotic disorders Interesting that "psychotic disorders" can be replaced with "tribalism" and still be true. We can easily identify such false beliefs in other tribes but often have a blind spot for them in our own. But in terms of tribes or politics it is not clear that this is a disorder. Believing the same false thi…

You need to read about psychosis. Meaning, the clinical term, its causes, experience, and treatment. You’re conflating it with a critique you seem to have of people’s behavior. If you knew more I don’t think you’d do that.

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> Delusions — fixed, false beliefs that cannot be changed by evidence — are a key symptom of many psychotic disorders Interesting that "psychotic disorders" can be replaced with "tribalism" and still be true. We can easily identify such false beliefs in other tribes but often have a blind spot for them in our own. But in terms of tribes or politics it is not clear that this is a disorder. Believing the same false thi…

Beliefs and behavior are usually only a disorder if they interfere with the normal functioning of everyday life (whatever that is).

Like, maybe you believe you are a mongoose, but as long as you can still happily eat / sleep / work / socialize then it’s not disordered.

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