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Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by tilne »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #313
jononor wrote: post #127

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I agree with you. There is also a move toward "agents", where the AI can make decisions and take actions for you. It is very early days for that, but it looks ike it might come sooner than I had though. That opens up even more potential for influence on financial decisions (which is what adtech wants) - it could choose which things to buy for a given "need".

I have yet to understand this obsession with agents. Is making decisions the hardest thing in life for so many people? Or is this instead a desire to do away with human capital — to "automate" a workforce? Regardless, here is this wild new technology (LLMs) that seems to have just fallen out of the sky; we're continuously finding out all the seemingly-formerly-unimaginable things you can do with it; but somehow the c…

> Or is this instead a desire to do away with human capital — to "automate" a workforce?

This is what I see motivating non-technical people to learn about agents. There’s lots of jobs that are essentially reading/memorizing complicated instructions and entering data accordingly.

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Post by somenameforme »

codelord wrote: post #31

As an Ex-OpenAI employee I agree with this. Most of the top ML talent at OpenAI already have left to either do their own thing or join other startups. A few are still there but I doubt if they'll be around in a year. The main successful product from OpenAI is the ChatGPT app, but there's a limit on how much you can charge people for subscription fees. I think soon people expect this service to be provided for free an…

> "[Google is] a public company and have to answer to investors"

As is an increasing trend, they're a "public" company, like Facebook. They have tiered shares with Larry Page and Sergey Brin owning the majority of the voting power by themselves. GOOG shares in particular are class C and have no voting power whatsoever.

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Post by coliveira »

chuckadams wrote: post #320
coliveira wrote: post #259

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Once again, our hope is for the Chinese to continue driving the open models. Because if it depends on American big companies the future will be one of dependency on closed AI models.

Ask Deepseek what happened in Tianmen Square in 1989 and get back to me about that "open" thing.

who cares, only ideologues care about this.

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Post by johnecheck »

fragmede wrote: post #285
djtango wrote: post #222

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This is a good anecdote and it reminds me of how Sony had cloud architecture/digital distribution, a music label, movie studio, mobile phones, music players, speakers, tvs, laptops, mobile apps... and totally missed out on building Spotify or Netflix. I do think Google is a little different to Kodak however; their scale and influence is on another level. GSuite, Cloud, YouTube and Android are pretty huge diversificat…

It goes to internal corporate culture, and what happens to you when you point out an uncomfortable truth. Do we shoot the messenger, or heed her warnings and pivot the hopefully not Titanic? RIM/Blackberry didn't manage to avoid it either. People like to believe CEOs aren't worth their pay package, and sometimes they're not. But a look at a couple of their failures and a different CEO of Kodak wouldn't have had what…

If the king/ceo is great, autocracy works well.

When a fool inevitably takes the throne, disaster ensues.

I can't say for sure that a different system of government would have saved Kodak. But when one man's choices result in disaster for a massive organization, I don't blame the man. I blame the structure that laid the power to make such a mistake on his shoulders.

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Post by ghaff »

kcatskcolbdi wrote: post #336
ghaff wrote: post #297

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I think the HN crowd widely overestimates how many people are even passingly familiar with the LLM landscape much less use any of the tools regularly.

I think you may be underestimating it. At this point in college, LLMs are everywhere. It's completely dominating history/english/mass comm fields with respect to writing papers. Anecdotally all of my working non-tech friends use chatgpt daily.

It does anecdotally seem to be very common in education which presumably will carry over to professional workplaces over time. I see it a lot less in non-tech and even tech/adjacent adults today.

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Post by mejthemage »

re-thc wrote: post #337
Jensson wrote: post #143

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That is what he meant with conservative, ie trying to not do new things because it takes more work to change.

> ie trying to not do new things because it takes more work to change That's not what the word conservative means, not by the dictionary or even politically. Conservative is the averse to change or to hold traditional values without logic. It's more like a type of fear. Even if the change was easy or have 0 cost, a conservative entity won't do it.

Why did you copy the dictionary's definition nearly perfectly, but then add "without logic"?

In many cases, the conservative approach to a problem is prudent because the old ways work whereas there is more risk and uncertainty with new.

That's not fear, it's wisdom.

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