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Google is winning on every AI front

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Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by eru »

antirez wrote: post #6

Gemini 2.5 pro is as powerful as everybody says. I still also use Claude Sonnet 3.7 only because the Gemini web UI has issues... (Imagine creating the best AI and then not allowing to attach Python or C files if not renamed .txt) but the way the model is better than anyone else is a "that's another league" experience. They have the biggest search engine and YouTube to leverage the power of the AI they are developing.…

> At this point I believe too that they are likely to win the race.

I'm not so sure.

In the mid 2010s they looked like they were ahead of everyone else in the AI race, too. Remember the (well-deserved!) spectacle around AlphaGo? Then they lost steam for a while.

So I wouldn't bet that any momentary lead will last.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by eru »

BillyTheKing wrote: post #50
antirez wrote: post #6

Gemini 2.5 pro is as powerful as everybody says. I still also use Claude Sonnet 3.7 only because the Gemini web UI has issues... (Imagine creating the best AI and then not allowing to attach Python or C files if not renamed .txt) but the way the model is better than anyone else is a "that's another league" experience. They have the biggest search engine and YouTube to leverage the power of the AI they are developing.…

apart from those weird file attach issues I actually think they've got a much better UI than anthropic as well - much much snappier even with extremely long chats (in addition to much higher limits obviously, totally different league). I love using it

It's really annoying that in their Android app, Gemini doesn't automatically scroll to the bottom of a long chat when you re-open it.

Otherwise, I like their 2.5 model, too.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by eru »

Waterluvian wrote: post #41

> I felt Demis Hassabis was trustworthy in a way Sam Altman couldn't be—a true scientist, not a businessman Not that I think Demis is or is not trustworthy, but I think it’s a bit foolish to believe it would be allowed to matter.

I also don't see why scientists should be more trustworthy than business people.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by omnimus »

isoprophlex wrote: post #48
ksec wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (And don't let me get started with Sam Altman.) Please do.

I would like to know how he manages to appear, in every single photo I see of him, to look slightly but unmistakenly... moist , or at least sweaty.

Peter Thiel is the like that too. Hyperhidrosis is in some people common sideffect of drugs.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by hlynurd »

isoprophlex wrote: post #48
ksec wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (And don't let me get started with Sam Altman.) Please do.

I would like to know how he manages to appear, in every single photo I see of him, to look slightly but unmistakenly... moist , or at least sweaty.

I often look moist after I use a moisturizer.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by vidarh »

visarga wrote: post #24
noosphr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet google's main structural disadvantage is being google. Modern BERT with the extended context has solved natural language web search. I mean it as no exaggeration that _everything_ google does for search is now obsolete. The only reason why google search isn't dead yet is that it takes a while to index all web paged into a vector database. And yet it wasn't google that released the architecture update, it was…

> Modern BERT with the extended context has solved natural language web search. I mean it as no exaggeration that _everything_ google does for search is now obsolete. The web UI for people using search may be obsolete, but search is hot, all AIs need it, both web and local. It's because models don't have recent information in them and are unable to reliably quote from memory.

The point is that the secret sauce in Google's search was better retrieval, and the assertion above is that the advantage there is gone. While crawling the web isn't a piece of cake, it's a much smaller moat than retrieval quality was.

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Post by weinzierl »

remoquete wrote: post #5

I was a loyal Claude user until I decided to try Gemini 2.5. "After all", I thought, "I already use a Pixel phone, so it's integrated with Android. And with Google Drive. And I can get it through my Google One subscription." And now that I'm on it, I don't think I'm going back. Google did it again.

Out of interest: Using Gemini on your phone, integrated and all, obviously reduces friction, but would you say convenience is the only reason for you not going back or do you feel Gemini is a real improvement as well?

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by 8f2ab37a-ed6c »

levocardia wrote: post #51

Google is winning on every front except... marketing (Google has a chatbot?), trust (who knew the founding fathers were so diverse?), safety (where's the 2.5 Pro model card?), market share (fully one in ten internet users on the planet are weekly ChatGPT users), and, well, vibes (who's rooting for big G, exactly?). But I will admit, Gemini Pro 2.5 is a legit good model. So, hats off for that.

Google is also terribly paranoid of the LLM saying anything controversial. If you want a summary of some hot topic article you might not have the time to read, Gemini will straight up refuse to answer. ChatGPT and Grok don't mind at all.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by entropyneur »

Lukman wrote: post #25

In my experience Claude 3.7 is far superior for coding than Gemini 2.5. I tried it in Cursor and I wanted it to work, as a recent ex-Googler. I repeatedly found it inferior. I think it’s still behind Claud 3.5 for coding. It would decide arbitrarily not to finish tasks and suggest that I do them. It made simple errors and failed to catch them.

Same. I went back from Gemini to Claude yesterday, because Gemini was writing decidedly worse code, at times not even able to stick to Python syntax. Using Aider.
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