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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss »

nashashmi wrote: post #406
nikkwong wrote: post #351

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While this may be part of the story, it's certainly not the full picture. We know that the CCP is actively manipulating the algorithm on Tiktok to further their agenda on multiple other geopolitical issues—something we have ample evidence for. I don't know if there is a smoking gun on this one topic in particular, but the CCP's goal has always been to divide the American audience; and we know that older Americans ske…

We find in mainstream media a pro Israel bend. We also find the same in US companies. Manipulation? Yes

Who is we?

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Post by econ »

vunderba wrote: post #448
maeil wrote: post #353

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That would be great, but I don't see it. HN has already been obviously violating GDPR and all other right-to-forget laws since forever by not allowong for account deletion, and everytime this has been brought up, dang has pretty much confirmed they don't care ("it would look bad if there were deleted comments [and that's more important than these laws]").

I have a hypothetical. Let's say you attend a rally and give a hate speech and the entire event is live-streamed / recorded for posterity. Can you use "right to forget" laws to impel all sites hosting that video record to blur out your face in the original videos? What's the functional difference to writing a bunch of hate speech with your username and wanting it scrubbed from the "public record" (which I would argue…

You could be indoctrinated or paid to give the speech. You might regret it or change your mind. The video doesn't have to be real, it could be generated, it could be someone with the same name who looks like you.

Maybe you got drunk and climbed on stage naked 10 years ago. Should you be that guy forever?

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Post by iddan »

spencerflem wrote: post #297

Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" (read- supportive of peace in Palestine). They are literally arresting and deporting people for suspected thoughts. Student visas are being denied based on social media posts. This is fascism.

Calling for the annihilation of the Jewish people is not being supportive of peace in Palestine. These students are not innocent.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #551
gronky_ wrote: post #529

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Stating that Israel doesn’t have a right to exist has been recognized to be an antisemitic statement by many prominent institutions. It’s a radical statement that effectively denies the rights of millions of people to exist and is especially problematic given the historical context of the establishment of Israel. The statement gets thrown around so much in certain circles that it’s gotten normalized. You’ve apparentl…

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What does that mean, 'a right to exist'? It sounds like emotional nonsense speak - we have the powerful words right and exist, and together they sound existential, for a person.

In international law afaict existing states have a right to exist - yes, almost circular. It's not endorsement of them as good or ok; it's recognizing reality and it's considered absolutely essential to maintain peace - otherwise everyone could attack almost anyone else, because if you're going to start deligitimizing states based on their bad actions, including in their formation, there's going to be a long list.

But beyond that, I don't even know what it means for state. Beyond any doubt, the humans in Israel and the occupied territories all have a right to exist.

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Post by sriram_malhar »

Our minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas, even if I shout at the top of my voice that I don't care for the armed factions and political jockeying of either side.

I will expect to be downvoted to hell for this.

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Post by mmooss »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #454
sneak wrote: post #427

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…and yet, they still use and support these censorship platforms. They’ll do anything but leave.

Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet. Trying to lead a group effort to leave the platform wouldn't work at any scale other than complete unanimity, and you're going to have trouble reaching that with the people benefiting from weaponizing Facebook.

> Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet.

Could you give a little more detail about what that means?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss »

dijit wrote: post #334
nashashmi wrote: post #167

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Every pro Palestinian protestor has experienced some form of awareness suppression and content removal. They have known this was a thing long before anyone else did. Same thing happened during 9/11. Muslims saw suppression, bullying by the police and no one covered it. Then the tables turned on maga republicans after j6.

I’m too stupid to navigate this topic in anything other than a crude and adolescent way, however I think it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations. My understanding of Hamas is that they are not considered a legitimate army, but if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes (not unlike the ID…

> they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations.

It's taking it way to far to suppress speech - political speech, the most important speech - for slipping in the 'wrong' slogans.

> My understanding of Hamas is that they are not considered a legitimate army, but if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes

While Hamas commits many horrors and is oppressive and awful, I don't think the ligitimate army argument holds water:

If Hamas acted like a legitimate army under the laws of war, they'd be massacred in an instant. It would require them to dress in uniforms so they can be identified, and only fight against the enemy's military. Hamas has some rifles and RPGs and a few rockets. Their enemy has tanks, fighter planes, etc etc etc. If Hamas wanted to be a legitimate army, their only option would be to immediately disband.

The laws of war seem written by large powers to protect their interests. There are legitimate 'freedom-fighting' insurgents out there who also are limited in their ability to be a 'legitimate army'.

> (not unlike the IDF as many would say). Showing support for such things is beyond reasonable accepted discourse in my home country.

So can people show support for either Israel (it's not the IDF, it's a political entity - Israel) or Hamas (also a political entity)? How do they talk about the war?

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Post by mmooss »

cantrecallmypwd wrote: post #414
dijit wrote: post #334

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I’m too stupid to navigate this topic in anything other than a crude and adolescent way, however I think it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations. My understanding of Hamas is that they are not considered a legitimate army, but if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes (not unlike the ID…

Hamas isn't an army, it's the political party voted into office to administer Gaza. The problem is a subset of it, the Al-Qassam Brigades, that conduct asymmetric warfare. If that were shutdown and violence were disavowed, that would give them political respect and would cease giving Palestinians a bad name that holds them back from the atrocities committed against them from being recognized.

The Palestinian people should unilaterally disarm and trust Israel's good faith? Trust the world to protect them? You are asking for a lot.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

elcritch wrote: post #559
Braxton1980 wrote: post #472

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Nazi rallies occur periodically in the US https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/us/columbus-ohio-neo-nazi-mar...

International students attending those events should probably be deported as well. Especially if they're helping to lead or promote them.

What about American citizens and why should they be treated differently?
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