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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

jmpman wrote: post #422

Yesterday, my high school son was sitting on the couch. Asked him what he was doing… “social studies on the partitioning of Palestine in 1948”. More spicy a topic that I was expecting. Intrigued, I asked ChatGPT a few questions about the religious populations of modern Israel throughout the centuries. Got some interesting results and asked it for some clarification on the political sensitivity of this topic. It agree…

Izr revieves almost 50% of the worlds startup funding for cyber security in any given year. Think about what they do with this.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by whatshisface »

tbrownaw wrote: post #465
bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

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Israel has an extensive defense industry, in some sense it has absorbed most of that country's economy. The role of the US is as a guarantor against the rest of the world.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

tdeck wrote: post #365
garbagewoman wrote: post #363

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Who is “they”?

When I replied to OP their post had already been flagged and downvoted to nothing. I had to vouch for it as I have seen the same thing.

My submissions on this issue have been routinely flagged, even when it is objective technology x this current crisis

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by bawolff »

tbrownaw wrote: post #465
bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

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> Public opinion is a strategic asset. Imagine if the electorate of their arms dealer turned against them.

I'm not saying there aren't other possible motivations. Indeed, i'm sure Israel would love all its PR problems to go away.

My point is, that if we assume for the sake of argument that Israel isn't doing anything sketchy, i would still expect the stuff in the article to be true. Therefor it is very bad evidence of Israel doing sketchy stuff, since the article contents would probably be true either way. My argument is not that Israel is pure of heart or anything, only that we should judge based on publicly available evidence, and the evidence in this article is extremely weak.

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

uniqueuid wrote: post #50
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

Well, Israelis are not abruptly incompetent and culturally allergic to progress, with a predictable habit of grovelling to whichever tyrant comes next — but they certainly do share some methods.

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

sfx77 wrote: post #478
wesselbindt wrote: post #324

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I think there's an erroneous implicit assumption in your reasoning, namely that to be Zionist is equivalent to be Jewish, and to be anti-zionist is to be Muslim (otherwise, why would you be talking about Jew:Muslim ratios). The fact of the matter is that not every Zionist* is Jewish (in fact, the vast majority of Zionists are christian), and vice versa not every Jewish person is a Zionist (Jewish voice for peace, the…

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The pager attack indiscruminantly attacked healthcare workers and killed a 9 year old girl and another child. It was the definition of untargeted, immoral and unprofessional. How does eliminating over 3% of a population, of which the majority are women and children amount to anything but deliberate extermination? There is nothing defensive about the IOF, or the army which calls palestinian citizens "human animals" and says "no child is too young to be a terorist"

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Post by whatshisface »

bawolff wrote: post #485
tbrownaw wrote: post #465

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> Public opinion is a strategic asset. Imagine if the electorate of their arms dealer turned against them. I'm not saying there aren't other possible motivations. Indeed, i'm sure Israel would love all its PR problems to go away. My point is, that if we assume for the sake of argument that Israel isn't doing anything sketchy, i would still expect the stuff in the article to be true. Therefor it is very bad evidence o…

Presumably, every country in the world can ask US companies nicely to imprint their foreign policy on domestic moderation. Even I could ask; but why would Meta agree to do it?

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Post by whatshisface »

elcritch wrote: post #396
empath75 wrote: post #305

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> As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". --- > “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately afte…

Poignant quote. Should we as a society accept students who are calling for violence and intifada on Israel or Jewish people in general? If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts the quote mentions than not: > A boycott sign posted on the display window of a Jewish-owned business reads: "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda. Buy…

The way it works in American culture is quite simple. You are allowed to say whatever you like, but certain acts (like vandalism, or causing bodily harm to another individual) are criminalized. What we find in practice is that the truly awful people commit these crimes in addition to speaking awful things. We avoid punishing the merely incorrect.
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