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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by elihu »

bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

The article does mention it, but I agree that the story is incomplete without a clearer idea (including examples) of what is being censored.

> "A Human Rights Watch (HRW) report investigating Meta’s moderation of pro-Palestine content post-October 7th found that, of 1,050 posts HRW documented as taken-down or suppressed on Facebook or Instagram, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine, while just one post was content in support of Israel."

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Post by rdtsc »

spencerflem wrote: post #297

Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" (read- supportive of peace in Palestine). They are literally arresting and deporting people for suspected thoughts. Student visas are being denied based on social media posts. This is fascism.

> grounds for deportation,

Sadly but nobody is entitled to student visas. They never were. It's mostly at the whim of the state department and they may revoke it for a variety of reasons. Minor misdemeanors or getting caught with DUI would also lead to losing a visa. It's really a "walk on eggshells" kind of situation. Yeah, in some cases appealing and finding a lawyer may help but it's huge uphill battle.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by brewtide »

abeppu wrote: post #66

... so while we were all worried about TikTok, being owned by a Chinese company, would be a vector for that government to push a skewed/propagandized stream of content on the world, Meta has already been doing it for a foreign government despite not having foreign ownership.

It's all skewed, obviously. It's all about alignment.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

sneak wrote: post #427
esalman wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am part of a neighborhood group where I grew up in Bangladesh and lived until 5th grade in the 90s. The group admin this morning let us know via Facebook post that he has received warnings frm Facebook. The group is "at a risk of being suspended" because way too many posts relating to "dangerous organization and individuals" have been removed. He wants everyone to be extra careful when posting about p*l*s*i*e, I*r*…

…and yet, they still use and support these censorship platforms. They’ll do anything but leave.

Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet. Trying to lead a group effort to leave the platform wouldn't work at any scale other than complete unanimity, and you're going to have trouble reaching that with the people benefiting from weaponizing Facebook.

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Post by edmundsauto »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418
maeil wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

So people in government claiming it was rigged should probably lose their jobs, as they were advancing harmful narratives related to their jobs. Journalists were (rightly) ridiculed, but there is a significant difference. I might not use a mechanic who is antivax; I would advocate a doctor be fired.

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Post by rdtsc »

spencerflem wrote: post #306
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" Do you have a link to what you are referring to?

Quote from Marco Rubio (confirmed 99-0 in the Senate) "Rubio said that while Khalil's “past, current or expected beliefs, statements, or associations that are otherwise lawful," the provision allows the secretary of state alone to “personally determine” whether he should remain in the country." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mahmoud-khalil-deported... The article is a day old, the judges just affirmed that Rubi…

> the provision allows the secretary of state alone to “personally determine” whether he should remain in the country

That's how it always worked? This idea that someone is entitled to a student visa is just odd, and I am speaking as someone who had a variety of different visas, including two student visas. You're really at the whim of the state department. It just takes getting notice, a minor infraction, not submitting a renewal on time, or lying on a form and you're done. Lawyers may helps there is some way to appeal but it's an incredible uphill battle.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way.

Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel.

I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule against the current admin.

What makes this possible to either the level of Russia or the US is how much the supporters of the regime want it. This is regardless of morality, legality, or the precedent it sets.

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Post by elihu »

garbagewoman wrote: post #360
bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

What would you define as “valid”

I would think that anyone advocating for or cheering the death of civilians would be valid reason for removal. Criticizing Israeli policy, being supportive of Palestinians in general, or contradicting Netanyahu's talking points: not a valid reason for removal.

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Post by throw310822 »

cantrecallmypwd wrote: post #414
dijit wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m too stupid to navigate this topic in anything other than a crude and adolescent way, however I think it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations. My understanding of Hamas is that they are not considered a legitimate army, but if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes (not unlike the ID…

Hamas isn't an army, it's the political party voted into office to administer Gaza. The problem is a subset of it, the Al-Qassam Brigades, that conduct asymmetric warfare. If that were shutdown and violence were disavowed, that would give them political respect and would cease giving Palestinians a bad name that holds them back from the atrocities committed against them from being recognized.

> that would give them political respect, cease giving Palestinians a bad name that holds them back from the atrocities committed against them from being recognized

Yes the respect Fatah has. Look at the strong words of condemnation from world leaders for the daily pogroms Palestinians are subjected to in the West Bank. Look at the apartheid being enforced there, look at the demolished houses and villages, at the hundreds of illegal settlements, at the ethnic cleansing going on by the day.

Hamas is an excuse as good as any. In fact, given its overwhelming power and impunity, Israel makes and chooses its counterparts. If a Palestinian leader looks too good, they can kill him. If the protests are too peaceful, they can shoot a few people until they turn a bit violent. Hamas was promoted to weaken Fatah. And so on.

Hamas has proposed multiple times long term ceasefires (10 years) and has recognised the 1967 borders. All these proposals went completely ignored and mostly unmentioned in the Western media because that's not useful to Israel.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by bawolff »

elihu wrote: post #451
bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

The article does mention it, but I agree that the story is incomplete without a clearer idea (including examples) of what is being censored. > "A Human Rights Watch (HRW) report investigating Meta’s moderation of pro-Palestine content post-October 7th found that, of 1,050 posts HRW documented as taken-down or suppressed on Facebook or Instagram, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine, while just one…

However that study is using a different data set afaik. There is no indication that the things being requested taken down by Israel are the same as those being studied by HRW.

Its also really difficult to draw any conclusions from the HRW study due to selection bias issues. The sample was sent in by users instead of being chosen randomly from censored posts. Even assuming you agree with HRW's assesment that the posts were peaceful, there is no way to tell from the study if this represents the 0.00001% most "peaceful" of all censored posts or if its the average censored post, and i think that makes a big difference when evaluating this situation. The experimental design of the HRW study is just rather poor, and i think you could use such a design to come to basically any conclusion you want.

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