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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by lossolo »

nikkwong wrote: post #351
janalsncm wrote: post #25

So when the government pointed to the disproportionate support for Palestine on TikTok vs Instagram, it was actually because Instagram was suppressing it. It is ironic. https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401

While this may be part of the story, it's certainly not the full picture. We know that the CCP is actively manipulating the algorithm on Tiktok to further their agenda on multiple other geopolitical issues—something we have ample evidence for. I don't know if there is a smoking gun on this one topic in particular, but the CCP's goal has always been to divide the American audience; and we know that older Americans ske…

> something we have ample evidence for.

Please show this "ample evidence" because it seems you (or "we" - whoever that is) have something the rest of the world doesn't.

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Post by smcin »

miltonlost wrote: post #181
gs17 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were asking about it happening to citizens. From your article: > Mr Garcia, a Salvadoran

He's a permanent resident. Splitting hairs over citizenship when he was here legally massively misses the problem with blackholing people here legally.

He's *not* a permanent resident; he's on "withholding of removal" status since 2019 [*]. It's not splitting hairs to discuss that, but you're right that the govt is (deliberately) pursuing a "camel's-nose-under-the-tent" approach first on a small class of people where Congress and INA haven't defined a direct clear path to PR or becoming a citizen, unlike a GC would since both his wife and child are US citizens.

He was granted "withholding of removal" status in 2019, which protected him from deportation to El Salvador (for fear of gang violence/extortion, which is why he came to the US).

The current DOJ acknowledges that at the time (2019) the "[first Trump admin] government did not appeal that decision [to grant withholding of removal], so it is final". It also seems like they never previously made any allegation that he was a gang member, and that they don't have any solid proof now that he is (other than supposedly one informant who incorrectly claimed Garcia lived in NY, so basically no credible evidence whatsoever).

By jumping the gun on deporting Garcia without due process, the current admin seems to unwittingly be forcing the issue to the Supreme Court very soon. (UPDATE: SC has just ruled unanimously 9-0 that the admin must try to release Garcia.) Looks like the SC's going to be very busy this May-June.

[*] Withholding-of-removal is a pretty rare status, rarely granted by court (>99% rejection rate), much rarer than Green Card, and applicants have to demonstrate credible fear. [0] This procedure is defined in INA § 208 (INA = Immigration and Nationality Act) [1]

As of 12/2024 there were over 100,000 individuals (from Cuba, China, Venezuela, Mauritania, Nigeria, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.) with orders of removal remaining free in the US due to various special interest statuses, including withholding of removal, according to a report from FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform). [2]

(Does anyone have stats on what historically happened to people in withholding-of-removal (what % became citizens, what % got GC, what % voluntarily left, what % got deported, what % moved to a different status etc.)?)

[0]: https://www.justice.gov/eoir/reference-materials/ic/chapter-...

[1]: https://www.uscis.gov/laws-and-policy/legislation/immigratio...

[2]: https://www.fairus.org/news/executive/new-data-show-over-100...

[3]: https://time.com/7276642/kilmar-albrego-garcia-error-deporta...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by anigbrowl »

dang wrote: post #212
bad_haircut72 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I this case you have completely changed the meaning of the title though. It sounds Like Meta did this of their own initiative which is a very different message.

I don't read it that way, FWIW. I think some of you are overly focusing on the title instead of the overall effect of the moderator interventions here, which is that the article gets more attention and the story more coverage. In that sense, I'd think it would be in you guys' interest to take yes for an answer, much as zzzeek has here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43657317 .

I certainly did. I saw this late and read the comments before reading the article, which I often do to save myself time if it turns out there's some glaring evidentiary or logical hole in a politically themed news story. I took the headline at face value and got 3/4 of the way down the page before discovering the direct involvement of a state actor. I absolutely expected to read a story about Meta execs doing this exclusively on their own initiative.

Posting this not to argue about your decision but to describe the impression I formed from reading the title.

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Post by jwr »

spencerflem wrote: post #352
mnky9800n wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia doesn’t just put people in jail for speaking against the government. They weaponise the generational fear of being disappeared by the government. This is not close to what happens in America where you can post anything anywhere and if Facebook deletes it you can always make your own website about it. If you did this in Russia you go to jail. Even if you say things like “it is sad Ukrainian children die in chil…

They are now denying visas, and deporting lawful residents, sending them to offshore torture prisons, for social media posts. For non citizens, regardless of length of time or legality, this is the case right now. For birthright citizens and full citizens it will be the case very soon

> birthright citizens and full citizens

Is there a difference?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by nickff »

someotherperson wrote: post #402
nickff wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not previously involved in this discussion, but what exactly is the 'dog-whistle' you're calling out here? It seems that you're engaging in whataboutism; is that what you believe the parent is doing as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

> In politics, a dog whistle is the use of coded or suggestive language in political messaging to garner support from a particular group without provoking opposition The nonsensical references to Qatar and Hamas while pushing conspiracies around a human rights group are standard Hasbara talking points.

You're asserting a dog-whistle for anti-arab racism, or anti-islam discrimination? Those references seem more like whataboutism than some sort of dog-whistle.

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Post by casenmgreen »

One off test, but for this guy, with large BSky and Twitter accounts, made the same pro-UA post on both, the post on Twitter was suppressed for about 12 hours, until it was spammed by hate bots, and then was made widely visible. The BSky post had lots of responses, starting from the moment of posting, almost wholly pro-UA.

https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3lk...

On the face of it, Twitter itself is suppressing in line with Donald/Elon's agenda, and running hate/love bots.

Also saw another BSky poster showing a horrific anti-immigration post on Twitter getting spammed by love-bots.

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Post by const_cast »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418
maeil wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

Nobody was made that people thought the election was rigged. They were frustrated with their lack of evidence, and then mad at their attempt at an insurrection. And then really pissed off at their complete lack of accountability afterwards.

Same thing with Covid. Nobody was mad if you thought masks were stupid. They were mad if you didn’t wear your mask, putting immunocompromised people at risk for your own selfish reasons.

There’s a difference between speech and actions. Doing things that actually, literally, kill people is a problem.

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Post by XorNot »

perihelions wrote: post #77
uniqueuid wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students. - "You’re not arrested for posting this" For what it's worth, it's widely reported that ICE is trawling social media to…

Yes but that was after the American people voted for an administration which explicitly ran on a platform of "we will do exactly that".

The attempted framing is as government oppression by "the elites", but half the country - the regular people - they're all for this.

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Post by dang »

jrflowers wrote: post #398
dang wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in contradiction to one of HN’s core rules no less There's no contradiction. The rule is " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait. " Nor is there any attempt to steer discussion away from the subject of the article. That would have been a hapless attempt, had it existed, since the thread is filled with such discussion.

> Nor is there any attempt to steer discussion away from the subject of the article. > I did those title edits to (marginally) reduce the flamebait effect of the title Your goal was to “reduce the flamebait effect” without having any impact on the discussion? Those two sentiments are contradictory. > That would have been a hapless attempt No argument there, it actually makes the whole endeavor of manually inventing a…

Of course I wanted to have an impact on the discussion: I wanted to nudge it in a more thoughtful, less hellish direction.

That's not steering away from the subject of the article—it's steering toward it.

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Post by brandonmenc »

ath3nd wrote: post #376
throwing_away wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not unreasonable to see the situation as "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews". The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life. I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring.

> I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring. Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like? - hostility towards non traditional sexuality - immigration being used as the scapegoat for economic problems - strong feeling of national exceptionalism - assault on women's productivity rights - politicizing of science - deportation for political reasons - "Roman" salut…

> Let's take Birthright citizenship, which has been established in 1868. Is that American life enough for you?

Birthright citizenship was to ensure freed slaves could not be denied citizenship.

It's served its purpose and we can repeal it and join the vast majority of nations that don't have this pathway.

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